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Meat & diabetes risk

Oldvatr said:
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Basically it says UK is slaughtering more animals, and exporting them. No mention of the reduction in slaughterhouses recently, and the rest is about veganuary and plant based diets and vegatarianism. Not really a relevant link to bother with.

It's dated Jan this year.
 
Oldvatr said:
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I worked for me and @lucylocket61
The relevant part was this...
The Association of Independent Meat Suppliers (Aims), a union of 250 small and medium sized abattoirs which deal with around half of the nation’s animals, said the increase in slaughtered animals is likely to be the result of greater demand for meat abroad.
It might not be enough but I don't think that counts as "not many".
 
lucylocket61 said:
And????

That still doesn't equal enough slaughter houses. Olvater is completely right. Your comment does not negate his, nor does the link. We lost our local slaughter house and now farmers have to travel further, increasing costs.
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According to VIVA, which is a vegan activist group, there were 278 in the UK and Ireland in 2016, and they have published all the owners names and addresses in case you want to take things further. My local butcher has been threatened several times by activists and his family have been receiving threats too and his daughters get it at school as well. He is the only butcher selling non prepacked meat products in our town (30,000 inhabitants) which till recently had nearly a dozen butcher shops.

Edit to add: the uk gov figures for 2019 is 168 in total according to the subsidy payments.
 
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They are wrong and quoting outdated figures. The amount plummeted over the past two years, after new legislation.
 
Brunneria said:
Can you please provide a link to the more recent figures you mention?
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Anyone with internet access can get the figures from the government websites. The info they contain is such that some people of a sensitive nature will find upsetting, which is why I did not provide any links. Arguing over 257 or 168 or even less in 2020 is not going to answer the main topic of this thread and we are moving way off topic here.
 

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I was researching into the heme iron ink to diabetes, and came across a study that was published recently where the scientists (?) fed mice with animal heme iron extract until they became diabetic, then they used a couple of processes to remove the heme iron. The first procedure was phlebotomy which is otherwise known to us mere mortals as blood letting. And the diabetes went away. They then fed the mice with plant based (i.e. spinach) iron and the diabetes did not come back again ERGO - animal heme causes diabetes, and vegetable iron does not.
They are currently using the second technique, namely chelation, to see if that has the same effect and which would be more acceptable as a cure for diabetes.

The study is rubbish since they did not test for anemia or report whether any of the mice died from anemia. Does not seem to be based on sound health principles/ Hope they don't offer these as a cure for diabetes.

However, I decided to look into iron chelation since it can be used to treat genetic dysfunction of too much iron in the feritin locker There is a bona fide treatment using properly researched drugs specific to the condition, but in the preamble of the paper I read there was a list of natural occurring chelating foods that can significantly reduce iron absorption. As one who suffers iron deficiency anemia, it is also a shopping list of things for me to avoid.

As Brunneria has requested links, I include one here
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hem...ourse/slides/spivak_ironoverload 07.27.12.pdf

Guess what - its a shopping list for Eatwell!!!!!!!!!!


One other observation. People suffering Hemochromatosis are not noted for being diabetics. So excess iron does not cause diabetes as there is no evidence for that. Ergo QED
 
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