Militant Low Carbing & Body Shaming - What's Your View?

Guzzler said:

You, BB, are an advocate. The tweeter is a bully.

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I have no wish to argue but I disagree.
This was a published photo by the BDA.
Apart from the very noticeable complete lack of diversity some of the people featured have weight issues.. as have I and many people here.
However I am not in charge of dietary advice for the entire country these people are/were the head of an organisation that has that power. Is it so bad to point out that their dietary advice hasn't helped them?
I'm not sure that it is..

bulkbiker said:

I have no wish to argue but I disagree.
This was a published photo by the BDA.
Apart from the very noticeable complete lack of diversity some of the people featured have weight issues.. as have I and many people here.
However I am not in charge of dietary advice for the entire country these people are/were the head of an organisation that has that power. Is it so bad to point out that their dietary advice hasn't helped them?
I'm not sure that it is..

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But the crux of this thread concerns body shaming and that can only equate to bullying.

Edited to add. I agree that the dietary advice given to those with Type 2 Diabetes is woefully poor and in some cases inaccurate but I tend to judge people on the content of their character rather than their appearance.

Far as I can see, it's just Eddie doing Eddie. Nothing new really. Same as it ever was. Anyone who has been here for a while has seen it all before.

And I still don't see how anyone who was @'ted in his original tweet bears any responsibility to respond to it.

Guzzler said:

But the crux of this thread concerns body shaming and that can only equate to bullying.

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That's Tim and Partha Kar's interpretation.. not necessarily everybody elses'.. that's why I posted a link to the initial tweet to let people make up their own minds rather than be influenced by the opening post.

bulkbiker said:

But we all do it? Don't we? In our minds if not out loud...

If you were sent to a dietician for eating advice and they were obese would you not question the quality of that advice?

Or maybe I'm just a body shaming old fascist..

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Hi @bulkbiker
Just to explain... I ticked agree with your post - not because I agree you're a body shaming old fascist, but because I do a lot of cbt and I understand what you mean.

zand said:

I think maybe you are.... sorry. Like I said in my post my sons' best swimming teacher couldn't himself swim. I am glad you have found the answer to your weight problems and grateful that you are helping me with mine, but please don't judge me (and others) because I have other factors besides T2 going on in my body.

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No need to apologise.. I am what I am.
However you (and I) aren’t in charge of an organisation that tells us what to eat and is completely happy in criticising dietary plans that differ from theirs. The heads and ex heads of that organisation should surely be viewed in a different light to us poor sops who are the recipients of such advice?
Edit to add... maybe I should have preceded advice with the word “poor”

BrianTheElder said:

Hi @bulkbiker
Just to explain... I ticked agree with your post - not because I agree you're a body shaming old fascist, but because I do a lot of cbt and I understand what you mean.

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That’s fine I’m sure I have been called worse... probably by some other members here even if under their breath or out loud at their screens....

bulkbiker said:

However you (and I) aren’t in charge of an organisation that tells us what to eat and is completely happy in criticising dietary plans that differ from theirs. The heads and ex heads of that organisation should surely be viewed in a different light to us poor sops who are the recipients of such advice?

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Presactly!

bulkbiker said:

That's Tim and Partha Kar's interpretation.. not necessarily everybody elses'.. that's why I posted a link to the initial tweet to let people make up their own minds rather than be influenced by the opening post.

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I will admit to being torn at times. The phrase 'Physician heal thyself' often comes to mind but when the physician is told and trained in a certain manner that is dogmatic in its approach we must give leeway imo. However, (as I have said, I'm torn) the knowledge is out there and so easily accessed that it beggars belief that so few are willing to challenge accepted norms.

My own DN recommended a particularly highly processed foodstuff to me at diagnosis, one that I had never tried and would never. Near the end of the appt she mentioned she suffered with colitis and I thought but did not say that perhaps if she took out processed food from her diet that it might make a difference to her symptoms. This was before I joined this forum and learned a heck of a lot more than I did before dx.

There are radicals on just about every subject possible on Twitter. Should anyone they follow be responsible to respond to everything they post?

If you think Eddie is bad, just take a look at one of his favourite targets Catherine Collins RD who is twitter buddies with tobacco shills. Look at some of the gross insults BDA allied dietitians have thrown Aseem Malhotra's way, for example. Twitter is the outrage centre of our world these days. It's the wild west really and anyone who plays there has lots and lots of this stuff to deal with.

I think this is one of the more nuanced replies to the many attacks on Eddie

"I assume most dietitians follow their own advice. A lot of the people in the picture look decidedly unhealthy. Pointing out their weight is simply a way of showing their advice is likely not good. Nobody here is saying their weight is due to a flaw in their character."

Of course it wasn't mine...

Another from the same guy I thought quite revealing was this one..

"Pointing out someone is overweight is only "fat-shaming" if you believe that being overweight is a product of gluttony and sloth. Otherwise you're simply pointing out a physical characteristic. Perhaps it's you with the problem & not @lowcarbdiabetic."

Indy51 said:

Far as I can see, it's just Eddie doing Eddie. Nothing new really. Same as it ever was. Anyone who has been here for a while has seen it all before.

And I still don't see how anyone who was @'ted in his original tweet bears any responsibility to respond to it.

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I haven't heard of/from Eddie for years and thought he might have died. It seems he is livelier than ever and just won't shut up. Sometimes I think that the low carb movement wouldn't be what it is today without him since he is very single minded on the subject. Just don't try arguing with him is my advice.

I don't do Twitter, life's too short and there aren't enough hours in the day. I doubt that busy people like Dr Malhotra etc follow everything on Twitter. But well done @Southport GP for responding.

bulkbiker said:

I assume most dietitians follow their own advice. A lot of the people in the picture look decidedly unhealthy. Pointing out their weight is simply a way of showing their advice is likely not good. Nobody here is saying their weight is due to a flaw in their character."

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No but they are saying that looking like that isn't as good as looking slim. Why judge someone by the way they look?

bulkbiker said:

Pointing out someone is overweight is only "fat-shaming" if you believe that being overweight is a product of gluttony and sloth. Otherwise you're simply pointing out a physical characteristic. Perhaps it's you with the problem & not @lowcarbdiabetic."

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Why is it OK to point out a physical characteristic at all? Judge some one by the things they do not how they look. Yes their dietary advice is wrong, so judge them on that and only that.

Re 'pointing out a physical characteristic' I have been at a footie match where some members of the crowd shouted 'Freak, freak' at Peter Crouch just because he is so tall. That's OK then I suppose cos it isn't his fault he is tall?

zand said:

No but they are saying that looking like that isn't as good as looking slim. Why judge someone by the way they look?

Why is it OK to point out a physical characteristic at all? Judge some one by the things they do not how they look. Yes their dietary advice is wrong, so judge them on that and only that.

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Again that's fine for ordinary people... but should we not apply different criteria for people who are advising or even telling us what we should be eating? I think they should be held to a higher account.
The fact I think their organisation is conflicted and hypocritical might also be a factor in my view I will freely admit.

zand said:

Re 'pointing out a physical characteristic' I have been at a footie match where some members of the crowd shouted 'Freak, freak' at Peter Crouch just because he is so tall. That's OK then I suppose cos it isn't his fault he is tall?

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I bet he was laughing all the way to the bank...

The only twittering I take note of is from the birds in the trees. Tweet Tweet.

bulkbiker said:

Again that's fine for ordinary people... but should we not apply different criteria for people who are advising or even telling us what we should be eating? I think they should be held to a higher account.
The fact I think their organisation is conflicted and hypocritical might also be a factor in my view I will freely admit.

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Criticize the info they give, not how they look.

Hmmm, I once got accused of body shaming on here a few months ago. As far as I was concerned I was not body shaming but merely was making an observation. I had an appointment at the hospital, and after my appointment went into the canteen to get a coffee. I was surprised to see how many overweight doctors and nurses there were, considering the very same one (doctor) who was sitting at the table eating pie and chips advised me to lose some weight and eat a balanced diet. I have never been very obese but overweight, this was actually through eating the so-called healthy NHS diet. I did all the right things or so I thought at the time. Now, this doctor was very overweight himself and sitting at the table eating pie and chips. I got slated on here, with people saying "Oh they are busy people the staff work hard, have different shifts it's not right to body shame etc" I do not disagree with that, but there were many healthy choices in this canteen. I looked around me and many of the staff were eating Crisps, chips, pies, sausage rolls, chocolate etc. As far as I am concerned they can eat what they like, but what I did not like was when a doctor is telling me to eat a certain way and that I need to lose some weight, then only for me to witness him eating rubbish bad food that I never even ate before the low carb way of eating. How can you actually respect the doctor's opinion? Other patients who need to lose weight for health reasons, will feel the same way. Sorry but the medical profession have to walk the walk. Yes, they may have other things going on, but so have many people. That doctor knew my health conditions but did not stop him from advising me to lose weight and give dietary advice. I remember my sister looking after her husband's grandad, as he lived with them. He was not a well man but smoked, even though my sis asked him not to because of concern. His doctor told my sister not to let him smoke the doctor was very insistent on this. Two days later my sister caught the same GP smoking in his car. The medical profession have to set an example