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<blockquote data-quote="Brunneria" data-source="post: 1940592" data-attributes="member: 41816"><p>[USER=496570]@torchman2[/USER]</p><p>So (in a nutshell) you went low carb and high fitness, developed hypothyroidism, ate terribly, got some glucose dysregulation <strong><em>while</em></strong> <strong><em>ill</em></strong>, sorted out your eating, took some supplements, and feel better?</p><p></p><p>I totally agree with you that we <em><strong>all</strong></em> do better when well nourished.</p><p>And there are plenty of forum members who find that dietary changes allow their bodies to ‘reverse’ glucose dysregulation (in some cases, notably some cases of T2). Members report that multiple approaches help with tackling T2, including LCHF (with or without weight loss), the Newcastle Diet, weight loss by other means, better overall nutrition, and ceasing dietary bad habits, increased exercise and fitness, fasting, supplementation with a variety of supplements and herbs (cinnamon, bitter melon, amla, berberine, etc.).</p><p></p><p>Another feature often mentioned on the forum is how stress, pain, infections (i.e. illness) often raise blood glucose levels, which then lower upon recovery.</p><p></p><p>It looks to me as though you have utilised/experienced a few of these in your journey.</p><p>In your case your glucose dysregulation has improved (for now) allowing you greater carb tolerance.</p><p>This doesn’t always happen, but I am delighted that it has for you.</p><p>Although you have not mentioned any formal medical testing that shows you had diabetes.</p><p></p><p>I REALLY do not wish to belittle your experience.</p><p>Myself, I have a long history of medical issues that were not confirmed for decades by my health care professionals. So I know how frustrating it is to not have test results that stop people from declaring your symptoms don't exist.</p><p>But I hope you can appreciate that you are posting on a forum that is filled with people who have trodden this path before you, and who have tried (with varying degrees of success) many of your suggestions.</p><p></p><p>I would argue that you do not have sufficient data to show which of your many behavioural changes and dietary changes have contributed to your blood glucose changes. It may even have simply been your illness. You have no way of showing how each change has impacted, because you have not recorded their impact in isolation. Unless you have detailed records on each individual protocol?</p><p></p><p>By your own admission, you went from a bad diet to a better one.</p><p>Maybe that was enough for you. Some members find this.</p><p>Maybe it was the illness? In which case your blood glucose would have returned to normal anyway, irrespective of your changes.</p><p></p><p>I had a look at the studies you linked to.</p><p></p><p>The first one had dubious relevance (in the context) since, by its own statement, its purpose was to show that</p><p><em>Ultimately</em>, <em>a</em> <em>better</em> <em>understanding</em> <em>of</em> <em>the</em> <em>pathophysiology</em> <em>of</em> <em>type</em> <em>2</em> <em>diabetes</em> <em>will</em> <em>aid</em> <em>the</em> <em>development</em> <em>of</em> <em>new</em> <em>and</em> <em>complementary</em> <em>drug</em> <em>targets</em>.</p><p>And focused heavily on conventional understanding of insulin resistance, much of which is not supported by personal experience of forum members, as reported here on the forum, and by other research used by Ivor Cummins and Jason Fung, to name a couple.</p><p></p><p>The other links you posted show that good nutrition helps people to regulate blood glucose, while nutritional deficiencies do not.</p><p></p><p>To be frank, I am not seeing anything that is new and not discussed all over the forum on a daily basis, except that your presentation of the information seems to imply that you have discovered new information that others have failed to notice - despite your suggestions being utilised, daily, by forum members.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brunneria, post: 1940592, member: 41816"] [USER=496570]@torchman2[/USER] So (in a nutshell) you went low carb and high fitness, developed hypothyroidism, ate terribly, got some glucose dysregulation [B][I]while[/I][/B] [B][I]ill[/I][/B], sorted out your eating, took some supplements, and feel better? I totally agree with you that we [I][B]all[/B][/I] do better when well nourished. And there are plenty of forum members who find that dietary changes allow their bodies to ‘reverse’ glucose dysregulation (in some cases, notably some cases of T2). Members report that multiple approaches help with tackling T2, including LCHF (with or without weight loss), the Newcastle Diet, weight loss by other means, better overall nutrition, and ceasing dietary bad habits, increased exercise and fitness, fasting, supplementation with a variety of supplements and herbs (cinnamon, bitter melon, amla, berberine, etc.). Another feature often mentioned on the forum is how stress, pain, infections (i.e. illness) often raise blood glucose levels, which then lower upon recovery. It looks to me as though you have utilised/experienced a few of these in your journey. In your case your glucose dysregulation has improved (for now) allowing you greater carb tolerance. This doesn’t always happen, but I am delighted that it has for you. Although you have not mentioned any formal medical testing that shows you had diabetes. I REALLY do not wish to belittle your experience. Myself, I have a long history of medical issues that were not confirmed for decades by my health care professionals. So I know how frustrating it is to not have test results that stop people from declaring your symptoms don't exist. But I hope you can appreciate that you are posting on a forum that is filled with people who have trodden this path before you, and who have tried (with varying degrees of success) many of your suggestions. I would argue that you do not have sufficient data to show which of your many behavioural changes and dietary changes have contributed to your blood glucose changes. It may even have simply been your illness. You have no way of showing how each change has impacted, because you have not recorded their impact in isolation. Unless you have detailed records on each individual protocol? By your own admission, you went from a bad diet to a better one. Maybe that was enough for you. Some members find this. Maybe it was the illness? In which case your blood glucose would have returned to normal anyway, irrespective of your changes. I had a look at the studies you linked to. The first one had dubious relevance (in the context) since, by its own statement, its purpose was to show that [I]Ultimately[/I], [I]a[/I] [I]better[/I] [I]understanding[/I] [I]of[/I] [I]the[/I] [I]pathophysiology[/I] [I]of[/I] [I]type[/I] [I]2[/I] [I]diabetes[/I] [I]will[/I] [I]aid[/I] [I]the[/I] [I]development[/I] [I]of[/I] [I]new[/I] [I]and[/I] [I]complementary[/I] [I]drug[/I] [I]targets[/I]. And focused heavily on conventional understanding of insulin resistance, much of which is not supported by personal experience of forum members, as reported here on the forum, and by other research used by Ivor Cummins and Jason Fung, to name a couple. The other links you posted show that good nutrition helps people to regulate blood glucose, while nutritional deficiencies do not. To be frank, I am not seeing anything that is new and not discussed all over the forum on a daily basis, except that your presentation of the information seems to imply that you have discovered new information that others have failed to notice - despite your suggestions being utilised, daily, by forum members. [/QUOTE]
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