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<blockquote data-quote="CherryAA" data-source="post: 1577929" data-attributes="member: 327005"><p>Thanks for the info. As I have tried to reinforce , this thread is focussed on a diet that will hopefully lower levels of circulating insulin in a person with T2 diabetes, like myself - who takes no medication for the condition. I make completely clear that I'm just an accountant used to playing with numbers and interpreting patterns, as such any views are utterly personal and can be freely ignored .</p><p></p><p>I am also of course aware that lots of new things happen to a person with T2 diabetes when the pancreas has failed and that becomes worse over time, hence it being harder to control T2 diabetes if its not controlled early enough and hence Dr Taylor's view that the ability to " reverse" diabetes may be connected to the speed with which you can a clear out the pancreas after diagnosis. .</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure I understand the point you are making with the two references ?</p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2043222" target="_blank">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2043222</a> is reference to what happens with an" <em>insulin dependent diabetic</em>...... <em>Glucagen is deficient </em>" Is that not one whose pancreas has failed ? that does not apply to people with T2 diabetes trying to control it through diet alone. If the diet fails than that may be indicative of an already failed pancreas - until it has failed the LCHF diet should be beneficial to the person overall and once it has failed using it should minimise the amount of insulin injection required - am I missing something? -</p><p></p><p>I am aware that there is clearly a condition which is reactive hypoglycaemia which as far as I had understood it , was not considered to be T2 as such.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.hormone.org/diseases-and-conditions/diabetes/non-diabetic-hypoglycemia" target="_blank">http://www.hormone.org/diseases-and-conditions/diabetes/non-diabetic-hypoglycemia</a></p><p>That second reference states very clearly</p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>"What causes non-diabetic hypoglycemia?</strong></span></em></p><p><em>The two kinds of non-diabetic hypoglycemia have different causes. Researchers are still studying the causes of reactive hypoglycemia. They know, however, that it comes from having too much insulin in the blood, leading to low blood glucose levels"</em></p><p><em></em></p><p>As such if the research is credible, _Given that we know that diet changes the amount of insulin in the blood, then on the surface it would seem eminently sensible to follow a diet that is specifically geared at lowering insulin. which should then reduce the incidence of reactive hypoglycaemia for at least some people. I haven't looked at it because I don't have reactive hypoglycaemia so its not something I can test out .</p><p></p><p>In diabetes, the chain of events appears to be along the lines of ( very simplistically I know) - food=> <strong>high glucose spikes</strong>,=> more internal insulin, =>failing pancreas => <strong>high fasting glucose</strong> >= failed pancreas => insulin dependence</p><p></p><p>Clearly if someone has fasting hypoglycaemia then that appears to also indicate other problems. It might be interesting to explore if there is a similar sequence for hypoglycaemia - in some shape or form to cover the differences between reactive hypoglycamenia -<strong> low glucose spikes </strong> and fasting hypoglycaemia <strong>low fasting glucose</strong>.</p><p></p><p>No doubt there is research on that somewhere. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Edited to fix formatting only.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CherryAA, post: 1577929, member: 327005"] Thanks for the info. As I have tried to reinforce , this thread is focussed on a diet that will hopefully lower levels of circulating insulin in a person with T2 diabetes, like myself - who takes no medication for the condition. I make completely clear that I'm just an accountant used to playing with numbers and interpreting patterns, as such any views are utterly personal and can be freely ignored . I am also of course aware that lots of new things happen to a person with T2 diabetes when the pancreas has failed and that becomes worse over time, hence it being harder to control T2 diabetes if its not controlled early enough and hence Dr Taylor's view that the ability to " reverse" diabetes may be connected to the speed with which you can a clear out the pancreas after diagnosis. . I'm not sure I understand the point you are making with the two references ? [URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2043222[/URL] is reference to what happens with an" [I]insulin dependent diabetic[/I]...... [I]Glucagen is deficient [/I]" Is that not one whose pancreas has failed ? that does not apply to people with T2 diabetes trying to control it through diet alone. If the diet fails than that may be indicative of an already failed pancreas - until it has failed the LCHF diet should be beneficial to the person overall and once it has failed using it should minimise the amount of insulin injection required - am I missing something? - I am aware that there is clearly a condition which is reactive hypoglycaemia which as far as I had understood it , was not considered to be T2 as such. [URL]http://www.hormone.org/diseases-and-conditions/diabetes/non-diabetic-hypoglycemia[/URL] That second reference states very clearly [I] [SIZE=3][B]"What causes non-diabetic hypoglycemia?[/B][/SIZE] The two kinds of non-diabetic hypoglycemia have different causes. Researchers are still studying the causes of reactive hypoglycemia. They know, however, that it comes from having too much insulin in the blood, leading to low blood glucose levels" [/I] As such if the research is credible, _Given that we know that diet changes the amount of insulin in the blood, then on the surface it would seem eminently sensible to follow a diet that is specifically geared at lowering insulin. which should then reduce the incidence of reactive hypoglycaemia for at least some people. I haven't looked at it because I don't have reactive hypoglycaemia so its not something I can test out . In diabetes, the chain of events appears to be along the lines of ( very simplistically I know) - food=> [B]high glucose spikes[/B],=> more internal insulin, =>failing pancreas => [B]high fasting glucose[/B] >= failed pancreas => insulin dependence Clearly if someone has fasting hypoglycaemia then that appears to also indicate other problems. It might be interesting to explore if there is a similar sequence for hypoglycaemia - in some shape or form to cover the differences between reactive hypoglycamenia -[B] low glucose spikes [/B] and fasting hypoglycaemia [B]low fasting glucose[/B]. No doubt there is research on that somewhere. :) Edited to fix formatting only. [/QUOTE]
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