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<blockquote data-quote="AloeSvea" data-source="post: 1934971" data-attributes="member: 150927"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Do the Newcastle Uni folks really believe deliberately eating less than satiation, as in 1200 cals per day, is do-able for life? Good grief.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I am hoping you expect an emotional but direct comment from me? Here it is - isn't that a form of torture? (Yes, I agree with [USER=219467]@bulkbiker[/USER] bringing up Dr Mengele's, I mean Ancel Key's Minnesota starvation experiment here.)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Hunger has evolved, let us remind ourselves, to be very uncomfortable. Miserable. Unbearable. So we crawl out of caves, get a spurt of energy from those lovely ketones, and go and get ourselves something to eat! </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">The only people I know who do that, outside of the diabetes-experiments, as in deliberately eat too little, who don't have an eating disorder, like - for life, have had bariatric surgery - no surprise there. They can eat way less than is comfortable for the rest of us human beings because they physically can't eat the usual amount. (And eating disorders are a whole other ball game.)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Even people who 'eat like birds' (I think of Herr Svea and his family of origin here), can dig into a fair amount of energy providing food - it might be a little - but can pack an energetic punch! Thinking about nuts and cheese in particular. Or salsa chips!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I stayed with a very dear old friend recently who has lived post bariatric surgery for about ten years now, and... what is a nice way to say it? Permanently mood disordered. That's the nicest way to say it (darling that my friend is.) And seeing his diet up close and personal - I would absolutely say he is malnourished, from eating too little, and of a basically 'frankenfood' diet to boot. It wasn't pretty.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">And, dare I say it - as a longtime Roseanne fan - mental health issues, mood disorders, and still getting plump/unhealthy body fat even with most of your stomach and intestines gone... well. I cannot see how this can be a good thing for we human beings. Putting it mildly. Even if prone to mental health issues beforehand, being permanently hungry and malnourished can't help!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">If I had the choice between being diabetic, or living permanently hungry, I would have to say - I would/choose the former! Because being permanently hungry is not just about hunger. It is also being able to socialise, mix with family, friends and workmates without trying to kill them (and possibly trying to eat them!) (The latter was a joke.) (Sort of.)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AloeSvea, post: 1934971, member: 150927"] [FONT=Arial]Do the Newcastle Uni folks really believe deliberately eating less than satiation, as in 1200 cals per day, is do-able for life? Good grief. I am hoping you expect an emotional but direct comment from me? Here it is - isn't that a form of torture? (Yes, I agree with [USER=219467]@bulkbiker[/USER] bringing up Dr Mengele's, I mean Ancel Key's Minnesota starvation experiment here.) Hunger has evolved, let us remind ourselves, to be very uncomfortable. Miserable. Unbearable. So we crawl out of caves, get a spurt of energy from those lovely ketones, and go and get ourselves something to eat! The only people I know who do that, outside of the diabetes-experiments, as in deliberately eat too little, who don't have an eating disorder, like - for life, have had bariatric surgery - no surprise there. They can eat way less than is comfortable for the rest of us human beings because they physically can't eat the usual amount. (And eating disorders are a whole other ball game.) Even people who 'eat like birds' (I think of Herr Svea and his family of origin here), can dig into a fair amount of energy providing food - it might be a little - but can pack an energetic punch! Thinking about nuts and cheese in particular. Or salsa chips! I stayed with a very dear old friend recently who has lived post bariatric surgery for about ten years now, and... what is a nice way to say it? Permanently mood disordered. That's the nicest way to say it (darling that my friend is.) And seeing his diet up close and personal - I would absolutely say he is malnourished, from eating too little, and of a basically 'frankenfood' diet to boot. It wasn't pretty. And, dare I say it - as a longtime Roseanne fan - mental health issues, mood disorders, and still getting plump/unhealthy body fat even with most of your stomach and intestines gone... well. I cannot see how this can be a good thing for we human beings. Putting it mildly. Even if prone to mental health issues beforehand, being permanently hungry and malnourished can't help! If I had the choice between being diabetic, or living permanently hungry, I would have to say - I would/choose the former! Because being permanently hungry is not just about hunger. It is also being able to socialise, mix with family, friends and workmates without trying to kill them (and possibly trying to eat them!) (The latter was a joke.) (Sort of.) [/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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