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Need some help! Type2

johndavey

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My diabetic history: diagnosed since 1999 with type 2 diabetes, managed with tablets and diet. Morning: 2 x 500mg Metformin and 1x 80mg Gliclazade. Evening the same. Over last 10 weeks my sugar levels have spiked to 17 regularly and have even gone over 20. Doctor prescribed an additional evening 40mg Glicazade tablet which I have taken for about a week. This has not had any effect, my sugar level is still averaging 13.9 overall (spiking at 17-20 in the evening). I am feeling really poorly-eyes sore/light head and generally under the weather.
Doctor doesn't seem to be taking this seriously-did say that 20 is too high!

I don't know where I go from here- Is this level safe? Any help would be appreciated.
 
Good evening and welcome. I think most diabetics would consider 20 way outside comfort zones and into the territory where you're doing nerve damage etc. The number where you start and do damage is around, or just under, 8. NICE recommends your post-meal high should be under 8.5, as a T2 on meds.

My history was similar, diagnosed early 90s, diet and exercise kept me in good numbers until 2010 when a medical emergency had a detrimental effect that I just couldn't get back from. I gradually added more meds and increased doses and it just had negligible effect, so I reluctantly conceded to start insulin just over a year ago - but that has worked well for me and I feel much better on it. I had spent some time perpetually in the 20s and once you're that high, it can be difficult to get it down, without a change in tactics. I had found exercise worked well doing so in the past, but that high, it can be dangerous to do too much and can push it up even higher.

The biggest single impact on your numbers is what you eat of course - you mention that you controlled for a while with diet, but what is a typical eating regime for you? Many of us here have found that we've done really well with seriously reducing carb intake - more so than many NHS medics generally instruct. I eat a few more than some, but I've found a level that I feel well on, but some people can keep completely off meds by being very careful with all carbs. The other 2 biggies are weight and exercise - dropping weight and adding exercise are both significantly beneficial too.

While your numbers are high, ensure that you drink a lot of water too - it helps to flush it out of your system.
 
@johndavey - Hello and Welcome to the Forum. Firstly relax and not get stressed, stress is only going to raise your blood sugars. You need to give the additional Gliclazide tablet time to build up in your system. Exercise is good in helping to lower blood sugars as well as diet. What diet are you following? Also drink plenty of sugar free fluids.:)
 
@johndavey

Hello John and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help in addition to the replies you have got above.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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