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Nerve Neuropathy a suagr rush?

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Fuggs

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
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Diet only
Hi all
I got my BG down but have recently put a bit of weight back on (4kg) due to a bag back injury, but notice if I have carbs, such as potatoes, or even a Costa cappuccino, (This really gave me problems, but black coffee doesn't) I feel a burning, tingling in my left inner ankle extending in an hour or so around the front to my leg up to the out knee.

Having intentionally almost lived on egg, bacon, high fat foods, veggies and lots of butter, this doesn't happen. Although seems to depend on what veggies.
If I get caught by hidden carbs, like a yogurt the other night, I feel the tingling again. It lasts for 2/3 hours or so.

My blood sugars is always high in the morning, 7 ish no matter what I eat at night and can go to bed with a BS of 5.
If I have a breakfast say avocado (fatty?) it drops down during the day to around 6/6.2 ish

Am I right in assuming this is the start of nerve neuropathy do you think?
And is there a danger in staying on the high fat meals where I dont seem to get a problem.

Thanks
 
interesting question fuggs .
I was in a similar position to you although my condition had been gradually worsening for the whole of the past year or so.

My overnight fasting BS level had been stable at around 5.6 - 6.0 for most of the last year but 3x months ago I had a gastic issue for a few weeks , since which time my fasting BS level has shot up to 7.0mmol/L + and nothing I do seems to bring it down again.

I have also had a peculiar ache in my right ankle and left wrist which gradually got worse over a 3x month period . In the end I was unable to sleep and spent 6x weeks sat in a chair awake all night . If I was lucky i managed 2-3 hours sleep a day which made me feel really ill from lack of sleep.

The ache sometimes seemed to me inside my bones it definitely wasn't muscular nor was the ache confined to the wrist and ankle joint as I also felt an excruitiating ache in my forearm. Looking back now I am convinced the ache must have been neurological or vascular

I decided to try a few things to see if I could improve my general health so i started going for a 20 minute power walk every morning up a local hill to get improve my circulation and cardio vascular health. I walk for 15-20 minutes up hill as hard as I can go then amble back down whilst recovering. Within a week I noticed a distinct improvement in both mental and physical well being .

The other thing I did was to start a course of Vitamin and Mineral supplementation .
I already knew that my Vit D level was very low at around 32nmol/L so i started supplementing (see below) .
Within 2 weeks my wrist and ankle aches completely stopped and since supplementing for the past 4x months I have not had a single instance of joint ache !... nothing short of a miracle .

The other significant change I made was to eliminate chronic constipation. I have suffered with this for as long as I can remember , at least 30 years. Back in June I had to have an Ambulance called out to me as I collapsed with acute stomach cramps . It started with extreme cramping/wind pain and within 15 minutes I couldn't stand up. My heart rate rose and blood pressure shot up to 178/95 & I couldn't breathe . I was completely incoherent and nearly passed out . I was dehydrated , and impacted . As it happens chronic constipated was very simple to eliminate and i have to thank my Doctor for prescribing laxido orange laxitive. It really does work if you can be patient enough to give it 2 weeks to fully take effect

I took about 8-10 days to regulate my digestive system and since then I take 1x sachet a day and I go to the toilet every day about 30 minutes to 1 hour after waking up sometimes twice a day . i cannot tell you what a blessed relief it is to simply go to the toilet regularly without having discomfort and constipation. I no longer suffer with wind or cramps and since quitting bread I do not have that horrible bloated feeling either.

I don't know if any of these suggestions might help you but they have made such a profound improvement in my quality of life I just had to pass it on to others. if anyone has any advice on improving this list I'd appreciate it

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That's really really interesting Johnny. I must admit I think heavy exercise in the morning is probably the secret to reducing high blood sugars and then have a good breakfast so that your body knows that it's been fed and you've depleted some of the sugar out of the bloodstream.

I tried an experiment this morning and went to bed with a blood glucose of 5.9 7 this morning it was 7 9 o'clock this morning it was 8 and 11 this morning it was 9 crisis what's that all about.

This is all driving me crazy because if I fast my blood sugar goes up and if I eat my blood sugar goes up I'm had a bit of a loss as to what to do here I think what I will do is maybe have a nice fatty breakfast early in the morning so avocados etc and then measure the blood sugar over the morning and hopefully it should go down full stop

Anyone with any ideas here would be gratefully received thanks
 
that sure is odd ?
There is only one way to find out for sure exactly what your blood glucose levels are doing minute by minute throughout the day and night and that is to use a Freestyle Libre blood glucose monitoring system. You could then see exactly what was effecting your BS level continuously .

You don't need to prick your finger for blood as it reads your blood glucose levels constantly for 2x weeks . You can see the results in graph form or second by second .
The guy that reviewed it is T1D and he discovered that every night after going to bed he went Hypoglycemic which he wasn't aware of. he reckons it changed his life using the Libre.

Review here
Your levels may rise due to eating a main meal in the evening so that your GI tract is processing all night and your liver is then releasing glucose into your blood stream in the early morning . It would definitely help if you do a bit of research into the function and health of the Liver pancreas ,gall bladder and GI tract so you get an overall picture of the blood glucose process and taylor your lifestyle to help them

Your tingling and hot sensation certainly sounds like neuropathy . I have had shingles and vertigo this past year and the shingles has never left . I still get pain and tingling from my spine around my lower side to my umbilical randomly so I reckon some nerve damage has already been done
 
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I had shingles years ago I certainly wouldn't want them again so I really sympathize with what you're going through it is such a painful condition. What's really helped me is washing the blisters and ends with colloidal silver to three times a day that really made the virus regress.
Perhaps you could try that and really increase your levels of vitamin C big time hopefully that may give some relief from this condition.
I noticed my blood sugar was 7.7 this morning on rising despite having some nice fatty lamb for dinner the previous night.

What I think I will do having gone through Dr Jason Fung videos again is go on a several day water fast as it would seem my liver could be holding quite a lot of fat and is trying to get rid of it.
Clearly there is a link between leg tingling and carbohydrates because following my fatty dinner last night the tingling was quite minimal so maybe I need to get rid of a lot of the glucose still going around in my bloodstream.
 
Thanks for your suggestions . I found that Tea Tree Oil helped reduce the pain slightly but in the first 2x moths the pain was excruitiating .
My shingles blisters only lasted about 3x months and they are now long gone thank god . The damage to the nerves is permanent unfortunately so I now get random mild pain in the three areas originally blistered every day . Shingles is a Herpes Zoster Virus which apparently lies dormant for most of our lives somewhere in the spine .

I am trying to see a link between the occasional flareup and other aspects of my health like BS levels and Liver etc . I know I have Liver Pancreas and Gall bladder issues from past issues so I have had quite a few inconclusive ultra sound scans over the years . I also rarely produce bile judging by the pale sand coloured stools I pass.
it might be an idea to request a Liver function test from your health centre (ALP , ALT etc if you haven't had one done recently

the Liver not only converts carbs into Glucose it also converts starch into fats which it deposits around the body.
If your body has a lot of stored fats then the Liver probably concentrates on converting starch into glucose .
If we have some large muscles like quads and glutes from regular exercise then the liver will store lots of glucose in the muscles . If like me you are over weight with lots of fat storage and have very little muscle left, then the poor Liver has nowhere to store glucose which raises serum BS levels .

I believe that the increase I have seen in BS levels over the past 4 months is due to putting on 1x stone in weight and stopping regular exercise at the same time due to a back problem.
I am going to start reducing my carbs , increasing fats and going for a 20 minute power walk every morning up one of our local steep hills to build some muscle and get the blood and lymph circulating again. I'll monitor my blood pressure and BS levels and keep a food diary and see what happens.....! I'm predicting that my fasting overnight BS levels are going to go down from the current 8 nmol/L to around 5.6nmol/L

 
My neuropathy was partly diabetic but also due to high triglycerides and liver issues giving me hyperlipidemia- cholesterol issues basically. Could that be a factor?
 
Johnny, you just got me thinking because I don't think I had this neuropathy problem when I was at a lighter weight. I have put on 5 kilos or 10 pounds over the last few months and I think your point about weight and exercise is absolutely bang on. My own checks this morning show that at 9:30 a.m. my blood sugar was 7.7 and I could experience left leg tingles. At 10:30 a.m. I had a very large avocado and a blood sugar of 8.3. At 12:16 however my blood sugar has dropped to do 6.7 and would appear the liver is being told don't produce any more glucose we've got plenty now albeit a fatty meal.

So I think what I'm going to do is go on a few days water fast and drop this 5 kilos or so and see what happens. I am also interested to see if I can start the process of autophagy and if we can encourage the body to start repairing itself on that basis. The least that can happen is I will be lighter!

Just looking through some old files Google Linus pauling and the herpes zoster virus; there is quite a bit of information on resolving the issue with high levels of vitamin C, 3 to 4 g per day.
From my own experience on vitamin C it takes a few days to balance your gut tolerance to it but hopefully you might find it beneficial. One of the reasons I started colloidal silver was of course it does kill viruses as well as bacterial infection and since I have been using that I haven't had any herpes simplex problems at all. Worth checking out though if it gives you some relief from it all.
 
fuggs thanks for the suggestions I'll check out the colloidal silver .
many years ago i bought a couple of books written by an American health practitioner who advocated massive doses of Vit C for all sorts of conditions . I'll have to look it up again and have a reread. .
I can't be sure until I lose some weight and start exercising again but I have a feeling that my current Neuropathy symptoms may well be related to being overweight and slothful

Re your high fasting levels and later lower levels,.... I would say that the drop in BS level mid morning is more likely to be due to your Liver processing the glucose in your blood throughout the morning because you are active. During the night when we are asleep a lot of the bodys functions reduce or shut down and our blood circulation must reduce significantly whilst asleep.
It would be interesting to see what your BS levels were mid morning if you stayed in bed instead of getting up and being active.

Something that I have been meaning to ask other T2D sufferers . Do you have any numbness or lack of feeling in your toes and soles of your feet at all ? I've been experiencing this for years and it is definitely getting worse. before I was diagnosed T2D I also had the leg pain you describe . I haven't had it since bringing my BS levels down though. What I have noticed though is I have recently accumulated a lot of varicose veins and discoloured skin on my lower legs
 
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My neuropathy was partly diabetic but also due to high triglycerides and liver issues giving me hyperlipidemia- cholesterol issues basically. Could that be a factor?
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interesting suggesion Geordie P . i haven't being paying much attention to my Cholesterol levels recently . I'll check back in my blood test graphs to see what my levels have been
 
Unfortunately I think you may be right there is a distinct Association between overweight and shall we say slothfull living.
I was watching the dr. Jason Fung videos (youtube) on Type 2 diabetes and fasting very very interesting.
With regards to feet I don't actually have too many problems with mine allthough somedays ,and strangely it always seems to occur if I've been say on a night out and had a few beers or something or maybe not eaten as clean as I should do, the soles of my feet feel "thin" and that's the best way I can describe them. they're slightly painful to walk on until after a short while and then once I get walking they are fine again.
I think all of this is definitely tied down to neuropathy blood sugars and everything else and the only way to resolve it is to say ok this is a complete and utter lifestyle change. we lose weight we get fit and start to eat and drink really cleanly. I think that's that is the only way we can resolve these issues.
It certainly would be a major lifestyle change at my age!!
 
Numbness in my toes was exactly what I had- that was actually the thing that I went to the doctor about in the first place when I got diagnosed with type 2. Pain in the soles of my feet, and numb toes. The middle toe on my left- you could have pushed a pin into it and I don't think I would have felt it. I also had shooting pains in my elbows when I touched them on a table edge, and in my fingers if I tried to turn a door handle or hold a cup handle etc.
It was mainly liver related though, coz once I got my triglycerides back down to safe levels, the neuropathy slowly but steadily got a lot better. Hopefully you can get yours under control- there's quite a lot you can do to improve things, so good luck with it all.
 
thanks Geordie that information is very helpful. Glad to hear that your neuropathy symptoms have improved. I think I'll arange for a 6 monthly full blood panel and see how things are .
 
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I was watching the dr. Jason Fung videos (youtube) on Type 2 diabetes and fasting very very interesting.
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Great guy .. definitely worth trying out what he advocates.. he has saved my life and more importantly health.
 
I've just watched the same Fung video about T2D & fasting and I was totally blown away by his completely different paradyme to what I had previously accepted from all the other medical and scientific sources.

That one video has suddenly given me a totally different perspective, explanation and insight into my own conditions.

I can't wait to challenge my Doctors antiquated perspective on Diabetes. He failed to diagnose my prediabetes for nearly 20 years.
I can now see how it all came about and exactly why I became T2D and why my BS levels have recently started to rise again.... it has all fallen into place now.

I'm spending the rest of today and tonight planning my new lifestyle which is going to consist of a weekly fast regular exercise and reducing my Fructose and Glucose consumption ie a lower carb diet than I am currently on.

I'm going to restart my recording in Excel and spend a bit of time working on new recipes and food shopping lists.
can't wait to see how soon my BS levels drop and my vision and general health improves
 
Johnny. Its good you've seen that video he has plenty like that on YouTube and it really is a paradigm shift for the way we have looked at and treated diabetes up-to-date. I am so amazed my GP has got it completely and utterly wrong with the dogma or treating blood sugars and not what really is the culprit insulin.

I have watched nearly all the other videos and they are as informative and a revelation as that one.

As a bit of encouragement to you and the others let me tell you following his advice yesterday at 8 a.m. my blood sugar was 11. Which is the usual Dawn phenomena.

I started fasting there and then and at 14.00 p.m. it was 7.7 and I could still feel the tingles of neuropathy from the previous night.. At 12:16 (am) it was 6.7 . Now here's the amazing thing at 9 a.m. this morning it was 5.5 no tingles no neuropathy and more significantly no Dawn phenomena.
And as of now 1300 hours it's 5.2...... whoopee do
....now here's the amazing thing, I don't feel hungry at all I've had lots of water, black coffee and nothing to eat and I feel great so I'm going to continue this fast over the weekend until sunday night and break it with a vegetable soup or something like that. From now on nothing white no carbs at all. vegetables , meat that's it and see how we go by Monday.

I can only suggest this is got to be the way forward it's got to be the way out of this vicious circle that we've all been trapped in all these years. If you're brave enough and ok medical wise definitely go for it what have you got to lose weight and sugar !!!!! 2 things we can well do without.

Also whilst you're watching his videos on YouTube there are others from Ivor Cummins, definitely a must to watch it will certainly change your view point and hopefully make you and others much healthier and happier.

Whilst I also think of it you might wish to research alpha lipoic acid as a proven treatment for relieving neuropathy pain. You do need to be aware however that it is a powerfull chelating agent for Mercury and you shouldn't use it if you have mercury amalgams in your mouth as it could make you quite poorly. if that is the case then you probably need to research the from Dr Andrew Hall Cutler very very informative as well.

Good luck
 
thanks for all your suggstions Fuggs I'm always reading and researching my various ailments particularly since I was diagnosed 2x years ago . Since commencing my current Vit & Mineral supplementation I no longer suffer any joint aches fortunately .

I refused to take the Metformin the D Nurse prescribed because they are not recommended with Liver problems like mine. They don't even bother to read your medical notes half the time.

I managed my BS levels just by diet alone although I had to take Glicazide for a couple of months. My initial BS level was 28 nmol/l ! and I got it down to a consistant fasting level of 6nmol/L within 3-4 months where it has been ever since until this past 2 months where it has inexplicably risen consistently by 2-3nmol/L ??

It was your post that inspired me to do something about it.

I have come across Fugg before in my research but there are so many others that are also on the right track these days. There is a growing body in the scientific community that are now considering that we may have got it all wrong. Obesity isn't the cause of T2 Diabetes but rather a consequence of being Diabetic . The Medical Profession haven't helped the situation by blaming overweight people for their Diabetes and other associated conditions and for advocating low Fat diets . Fat was the evil component not carbs. I still have a NHS Diabetes Leaflet from 5 years ago that says eat less fat ! .....

I would be careful of reading too much into your fasting BS levels during the daytime as you will clearly be using vastly more glucose than you would asleep overnight so you would expect some temporary low BS levels. The thing to watch out for of course is periodic Hypoglycemic episodes which I used to get quite frequently at first.

Thats one of the downsides to eating less starch (quick release energy) and more fat (slow release energy) and then embarking on some unaccustomed exercise. The body can't supply enough cellular energy fast enough to cope with the increased demand .
Its a fine balance which takes time to get right.

I have been dieting periodically since around the 1980s when I stopped heavy physical work (construction) and started practicing as a construction consultant. I went from 14st in 1982 to 17.5 stones over the years . I frequently lose a stone or 20 lbs in a few months but it all goes piling back on and then some when I inevitably revert to my usual non stop eating or I get ill and cannot exercise etc.

I haven't tried regular fasting so I'm looking forward to trying it and hopefully making it my lifestyle along with some other changes.

I've recently started table tennis which is a great exercise and certainly raises your heart rate , also intending starting badminton once a week. Luckily we have both facilities in our tiny Village so how lucky am I !
 
I fast most days. I go from eating my just one meal a day from 8 pm at night then do not eat until 8 pm the following evening. I do this around 3 times a week, then for the rest of the week I just eat lunch and evening meal no snacking, apart from the odd berries and cream. My BG was never as high as yours as I am or was pre diabetic. Used to be around 6.2 on fasting and 6 7 after eating. Now I am seeing levels such as 5.2 first thing in the morning and 5.6 2 hours after eating. Here is the thing, the other morning on waking up I was 4.8. Last night I had spare ribs with BBQ and roasted Celeriac cut into chips..I took my BG straight after eating thinking,it is bound to be high..It was 5.3..Now wondering what it was before..I wish that I had taken my BG before eating now..So this fasting lark seems to work
 
A large Costa Cappuccino has 13 gm of carbs - and as you eat high carb foods such as potato those are likely to cause elevated blood glucose levels.
If you can stop the spikes, and perhaps try alpha lipoic acid tablets, which I have read good things of where pains in the feet are concerned, it might improve things for you.
 

Thats a tough lifestyle change Derry . Well done for getting your BS levels down so low .I'm not sure I could eat so little as my whole life has revolved around food and eating. I comfort eat too which doesn't help.
My experience of fasting or dieting has been its really difficult for me to maintain as a lifestyle as life always throws something up to make it difficult to keep up
 
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