New evidence shows it's a waste of time.

ajbod · Mar 7, 2023

New evidence shows it's a waste of time, and may have been a total con all along. There is no benefit at all unless you are over 70, and even then the actual benefit is negligible.
The biggest problems were how cases were treated. you have a breathing problem due to the virus causing low sats. to then treat them with drugs that SUPPRESS the breathing, is now realised to have been madness, and significantly exacerbated the illness. it's even been reported as in effect euthanasia.
Research has shown that by the time you've had 4 doses of "vaccine". you are actually 3 times more likely to get Covid, than if you hadn't been stuck, as your immune system has been compromised.
It's funny that the only countries with above average excess deaths, were the ones that vaccinated the heaviest. And countries where they did not vaccinate, have no excess deaths and virtually NO Covid.
The average age of "Covid" deaths in this country, was actually 2 years higher than average life expectancy!

akindrat18 · Mar 7, 2023

I was unlucky enough to have Covid in November 2020, before the vaccinations came out. No need to go up hospital, but I was off work for 6 weeks.

Heartsurvivor · Mar 7, 2023

ajbod said:
New evidence shows it's a waste of time, and may have been a total con all along. There is no benefit at all unless you are over 70, and even then the actual benefit is negligible.
The biggest problems were how cases were treated. you have a breathing problem due to the virus causing low sats. to then treat them with drugs that SUPPRESS the breathing, is now realised to have been madness, and significantly exacerbated the illness. it's even been reported as in effect euthanasia.
Research has shown that by the time you've had 4 doses of "vaccine". you are actually 3 times more likely to get Covid, than if you hadn't been stuck, as your immune system has been compromised.
It's funny that the only countries with above average excess deaths, were the ones that vaccinated the heaviest. And countries where they did not vaccinate, have no excess deaths and virtually NO Covid.
The average age of "Covid" deaths in this country, was actually 2 years higher than average life expectancy!

CatsFive · Mar 7, 2023

ajbod said:
New evidence shows it's a waste of time, and may have been a total con all along. There is no benefit at all unless you are over 70, and even then the actual benefit is negligible.
The biggest problems were how cases were treated. you have a breathing problem due to the virus causing low sats. to then treat them with drugs that SUPPRESS the breathing, is now realised to have been madness, and significantly exacerbated the illness. it's even been reported as in effect euthanasia.
Research has shown that by the time you've had 4 doses of "vaccine". you are actually 3 times more likely to get Covid, than if you hadn't been stuck, as your immune system has been compromised.
It's funny that the only countries with above average excess deaths, were the ones that vaccinated the heaviest. And countries where they did not vaccinate, have no excess deaths and virtually NO Covid.
The average age of "Covid" deaths in this country, was actually 2 years higher than average life expectancy!

Can you give a link or links to the 'new evidence' please. Not to mention to the evidence for the rest of your claims.

Jo_the_boat · Mar 7, 2023

ajbod said:
New evidence shows it's a waste of time, and may have been a total con all along. There is no benefit at all unless you are over 70, and even then the actual benefit is negligible.
The biggest problems were how cases were treated. you have a breathing problem due to the virus causing low sats. to then treat them with drugs that SUPPRESS the breathing, is now realised to have been madness, and significantly exacerbated the illness. it's even been reported as in effect euthanasia.
Research has shown that by the time you've had 4 doses of "vaccine". you are actually 3 times more likely to get Covid, than if you hadn't been stuck, as your immune system has been compromised.
It's funny that the only countries with above average excess deaths, were the ones that vaccinated the heaviest. And countries where they did not vaccinate, have no excess deaths and virtually NO Covid.
The average age of "Covid" deaths in this country, was actually 2 years higher than average life expectancy!

How nice to see a voice of reason.
Right since the start of the jabs (Dec 2020) we were warned that there were potential problems with the technology.
Gradually we learned that they weren't tested, didn't prevent disease, they didn't prevent transmission and they injured people, killed some in fact.
Having vascular disease I paid particular notice but still, stupidly, fell for the con / blackmail and had 3 shots.

One of the comorbidities they keep saying is diabetes. I wish they would add the words 'badly controlled' before diabetes.
Most of us try really hard to stay healthy - and that is probably the best form of 'vaccination'.

bulkbiker · Mar 7, 2023

No jabs, no COVID..

Jo_the_boat · Mar 7, 2023

CatsFive said:
Can you give a link or links to the 'new evidence' please. Not to mention to the evidence for the rest of your claims.

You won't find evidence of any harm / wrongdoing in the mainstream media.

Just to get you started, here is a lecture given by Aseem Malhotra, a Cardiologist. There are some astonishing revelations in here.
Just one example; he was discussing the vaccines with a group of British researchers who had found a link between the vaccine and cardiac damage.
The researchers decided not to publish their findings because they would risk losing their funding from the pharmaceutical industry!

Dr Malcolm Kendrick is one to research:
Ivor Cummins is another. His YouTube is largely about health management but dig a bit deeper, his Twitter feed for example and you'll find plenty more.
Here is a Twitter thread, covering masks, vaccines, lockdowns etc. etc. Scroll to the top and read through

Deleted member 527103 · Mar 7, 2023

bulkbiker said:
No jabs, no COVID..

Same with the woman on my street but that's because she hasn't left her house in 3 years!

bulkbiker · Mar 7, 2023

In Response said:
Same with the woman on my street but that's because she hasn't left her house in 3 years!

Whereas I've been out and about maskless the whole time.

HSSS · Mar 7, 2023

At best there is debate on effectiveness, outcomes etc. To try and claim any view is 100% accurate is misleading.

There is no new evidence that the vaccines made no difference. They were tested, to some extent, they did prevent some illness and some deaths, some transmission, some long covid etc etc. not 100%. They also did have some negative effects and cause some deaths, as did lockdown and medical delays caused as a result (Also delays were caused by the nhs being overwhelmed by sick people with covid!). Long term harms and deaths were also caused by the virus itself which many vaccine sceptics seem to be ignoring including those excess deaths (and illnesses) long after the 28days its counted as a virus related (heart damage and immune system damage for example).

There is little undisputed, hard evidence of numbers on either side of the argument. There’s as much selectively picking reports and twisting of numbers on the anti side as they claim there is on the pro side. Undoubtedly we need to learn what worked and what didn’t and why but it’s become so politicised I doubt that’ll ever truly happen now and none of us will ever trust the system as a result.

Of course being as healthy as possible is the desirable place to be in before catching anything, to be in the best position to cope. Shame the blatant opportunity for focussing on and improving the metabolic health of the country was missed during this. Being hospitalised with covid wasn’t fun and my health whilst type 2 wasn’t too bad beforehand and I’m definitely below the average age of death thanks. Be very grateful it wasn’t you, rather than cocky about it, and hope it never is.

ajbod · Mar 7, 2023

Like yourself i was very worried about the incredible rush to push out mRNA vaccines, which had NEVER been tested in humans. NEVER EVER came close to approval for use, and constantly failed trials for approval. Suddenly along comes a convenient complaint, which everyone knows came from a lab. And bang Billions poured into big Pharma for a "desperately needed" vaccine.

We were told it would stop you getting Covid, IT DIDN'T!

We were told it would stop transmission to others, IT DIDN'T

It would reduce the severity HOW CAN THAT BE PROVED? nobody knew how bad any individuals illness would have been anyway.

After the first mutation, it no longer had ANY relevance at all, it was for the WRONG illness.

Any Epidemiologist, or Immunologist or anyone else who spoke out, was vilified in the media, funding was withdrawn, social media accounts suspended. approximately 40,000 care workers and nurses etc lost their jobs in this country alone, because they would not or COULD not have the vaccine. The whole sorry debacle, is frankly frightening.
It has been proved the antigen does not stay in the deltoid muscle, which we were told it would do, it spreads throughout the body, and instead of being inactive after a few days remains for months. And due to the wide spread and the fact it uses our own cells to produce the spike protein, it is effectively becoming an auto immune problem, as it is taken up into the cells DNA.
It will almost certainly enter the reproductive DNA, and thus become genetically inherited.
At 60 years of age, and snipped the chance of me passing it on has long gone, but anyone of a fertile age i feel very sorry for. Especially after dramatic rises in miscarriage, and still births since the introduction of the supposed vaccine. It fulfills none of the criteria of a vaccine.
I hope to god i'm wrong, but i fear as a species we have well and truly shot ourselves in the foot.
Just for the record to my own eternal shame, I had 4 shots. but nothing for the last 14 months.

ajbod · Mar 7, 2023

According to Pfizers own research, by the 4th dose "protection" only lasts for about 3 months maximum anyway.
To my knowledge i haven't had it, 5 months ago my wife and mother in law did. I DIDN'T nor did anyone else in our house.
Long covid i think is suspiciously like post viral syndrome, which seems to have disappeared.

bulkbiker · Mar 7, 2023

ajbod said:
According to Pfizers own research, by the 4th dose "protection" only lasts for about 3 months maximum anyway.
To my knowledge i haven't had it, 5 months ago my wife and mother in law did. I DIDN'T nor did anyone else in our house.
Long covid i think is suspiciously like post viral syndrome, which seems to have disappeared.

You might find this interesting

Claims the unvaccinated were at higher risk of hospitalisation and death were based on deliberately murky record keeping

Again, another statistical illusion of efficacy was manufactured by simple miscategorisation

wherearethenumbers.substack.com

HSSS · Mar 7, 2023

ajbod said:
Long covid i think is suspiciously like post viral syndrome, which seems to have disappeared.

not for anyone that has it it hasn’t. Yes it probably it related to post viral syndromes which also still exist.

Just because the media and government have gone quieter because it suits their mantra of it’s all over doesn’t mean it’s gone away. You can’t have it both ways - the media aren’t reporting what you want them to so they are useless or part of the conspiracy but when they are quiet on a subject you think you’d like to not exist they are covering the story perfectly.

bulkbiker · Mar 7, 2023

HSSS said:
the media aren’t reporting what you want them to so they are useless or part of the conspiracy but when they are quiet on a subject you think you’d like to not exist they are covering the story perfectly.

Or maybe the media are simply reporting what they are told to report..?

Deleted member 475901 · Mar 7, 2023

There is some evidence that repeated covid infections may get worse, not milder.
I wonder if covid ongoing damage builds up (eg long covid, even if mild enough not to be noticed)?
I'd love to get another booster but I'm just under the bar this time.
I not only have T2 but also asthma and at the moment megaloblastic anaemia too so I don't think I'd cope well with anything else.

Lobsang Tsultim · Mar 7, 2023

Had all my jabs, not had Covid though I’ve been in contact with at least one person who was positive. I’m sorry but I ignore any theories that rely on grand conspiracies to explain evidence or lack of evidence. Life is too short to worry about make-believe.

Deleted member 475901 · Mar 7, 2023

ajbod said:
New evidence shows it's a waste of time, and may have been a total con all along. There is no benefit at all unless you are over 70, and even then the actual benefit is negligible.
The biggest problems were how cases were treated. you have a breathing problem due to the virus causing low sats. to then treat them with drugs that SUPPRESS the breathing, is now realised to have been madness, and significantly exacerbated the illness. it's even been reported as in effect euthanasia.
Research has shown that by the time you've had 4 doses of "vaccine". you are actually 3 times more likely to get Covid, than if you hadn't been stuck, as your immune system has been compromised.
It's funny that the only countries with above average excess deaths, were the ones that vaccinated the heaviest. And countries where they did not vaccinate, have no excess deaths and virtually NO Covid.
The average age of "Covid" deaths in this country, was actually 2 years higher than average life expectancy!

Sorry but this not what the data shows. The comments reports about the average data on deaths, in particular, is a misunderstanding of the facts. The previous, previous PM may be able to quote latin tags but does not understand maths

Average Covid-19 victim dies years before they otherwise would - Full Fact

In an allegedly leaked WhatsApp message, Boris Johnson appeared to claim that the average age of Covid-19 deaths is higher than the average life expectancy.

fullfact.org

(I'm a retired statistician who used to analyse and publish health data)

ajbod · Mar 7, 2023

Average age of those who had died with COVID-19 - Office for National Statistics

Governments own figures.
My mistake i was 2 years out.

HSSS · Mar 7, 2023

bulkbiker said:
Or maybe the media are simply reporting what they are told to report..?

Which works both ways.

You think they are hiding information surrounding the vaccine directed by…….??

I think they are ignoring ongoing problems caused by the virus itself due to the sheer wishful thinking of many because the reality is unthinkable and too stressful and possibly at the direction of others. So long as it’s not happening to them they can pretend it’s not real.

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