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Message: <blockquote data-quote="HSSS" data-source="post: 2589330" data-attributes="member: 480869">Don’t put words into my mouth. It’s not a “does or doesn’t” situation. It’s a “reduces” situation. Yes that should be made clear.In the sense that a vaccinated 25yr old was statistically less likely to have it of course statistically they were less likely to spread it but of course if you don’t have it you can’t spread it. The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. An unvaccinated 25 yr old was more likely to have had covid therefore more likely to give it to granny. Only testing would confirm if the 25yr in reality could spread it and thus which statistical group they fell into. Obviously as effectiveness has reduced so too has that arguments weight and the ability to predict groups but it is still true to a limited extent. Fundamental maths.Your argument about football matches again uses the 0 or 100% argument which in reality was never true nor claimed to be and was always flawed understanding of the science and facts. Of course vaccine passports were not foolproof. Even without deliberate flouting of those rules all they ever did and were intended to do was stack the odds in a better favour not provide a cast iron guarantee.  Just because people didn’t/don’t understand this doesn’t mean it was all lies or false.</blockquote>

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