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<blockquote data-quote="Lamont D" data-source="post: 2590165" data-attributes="member: 85785"><p>Just found this.</p><p>Not going to discuss either side. The lockdown was really bad mentally to me.</p><p></p><p>But the government got so much wrong, from the outset, the science, the preparation, the mindset of what was more important, life or the economy.</p><p>My colleagues and I found out about this 'Chinese virus' , because they were prevented from travelling in October/November 2019. It is called 'corona virus 19, because of the year that it was identified.</p><p>Five months later, lockdown!!!!</p><p>Wether right or wrong, opinion divided, just if wrong, so late.</p><p>The virus was always airborne, nothing else made sense!</p><p>With this type of virus, similar to colds, flu and some other infections, it turns into a lottery of who is infected.</p><p>Regardless of age, colour, race, environmental, fitness, rich or poor. The likelihood of infection is really high in some, really low in others, and in a certain percentage, won't be touched by it at all, a natural immunity. </p><p>However, the treatment you receive is dependent on the same things, age, the poorer, unhealthy, the environment and so on, is against those susceptible.</p><p>My immediate family, did not suffer as some did, We had no covid fatalities. Why?</p><p>I have a large family, my four children, and their partners were all on the front line, in hospitals, care homes, schools, shops, travelling around and distribution. My grandchildren, only one had a mild dose! He was at work and had been out in town, drinking! I myself before lockdown were very close to others, who had already come across others who had been effected, but it didn't effect my disabled wife, my father in law, who had numerous compromised conditions. But never got it. Spent time in hospital in the February of 2020!</p><p></p><p>If the figures are correct on the death rates. Why was western Europe, the Americas, hit the hardest?</p><p>I think that, because the natural immunity that is built up during our younger years, is now since the improvement in our health has compromised the effect of catching colds, flu and other viruses. The western world has become more susceptible to them.</p><p>It does seem to me, that some have continuous symptoms.</p><p>Why was the figures wave after wave higher in northern temperate climate?</p><p>Not in tropical or sub tropical areas.</p><p></p><p>To me, the vaccine was at first, found to be helpful to some, but not all, it didn't really stop the pandemic, it didn't stop the the different variances of the virus. But it was and still is being used as a political solution to assuage the debate, a distraction to what was actually happening, to normalise, to make people believe, the government was doing something, when it was completely out of its depth and stuck in dogma. To get through it without losing the power. The vaccine was more useful as a population suppressor, as was the lockdown, not because the government wanted it, but to appease the science, the press, the thought that other countries may be right!</p><p></p><p>As an island, if lockdown was the answer, why didn't we close all our borders. The main reason was food and other essentials, we cant feed ourselves! However, the clamp down was piecemeal and indiscriminate. Maybe why brexit was such a bad idea! We are so dependent on each other, for everything!I</p><p></p><p>My son works for a steel importer, the amount is unbelievable, the ships never stopped from all over the world. Some ships had covid, some not. But no isolation or suppression of movement in and out of ports.</p><p></p><p>The majority of working hours in this country are not in offices! Though you wouldn't think so. According to this so out of touch government!!! the likes of factories, which never closed, where only certain covid modifications were made. Was so slow, that would not have made any difference.</p><p></p><p>When talking about certain vaccines, I always refer to the smallpox and of course, Jenner.</p><p>Smallpox was rampant, but has been eradicated. Solely due to world wide immunisation.</p><p>The original vaccine was originally trying to catch up with those already infected. Because once you had the disease, it had to run its course. But preventative immunisation, works better, as a small viral load does build up a higher resilience to the virus. That is why some people get side effects, some don't! It's a lottery!</p><p></p><p>So once, the virus has taken a hold, and those people with it, it has to run its course, unless, the vaccine prevents further illness and symptoms. If you are fortunate enough not to have caught the virus or naturally immune, then a vaccine will work against said virus and be more resilient against it.</p><p>With a vaccine, immunisation is far more effective before someone gets the virus. That is why, even those that have been immunised, could still be down with it. Viral load is important and of course how resilient certain people for many reasons are to the vaccine.</p><p></p><p>In so many of the victims, the cart came before the horse. The vaccine was ineffective, because the resilience wasn't there. If we had the vaccine in 2018, it would have been more effective.</p><p></p><p>I have been tested so many times, been in hospitals all through the last three years, all negative. Why? No idea! It is a lottery!</p><p></p><p>Finally, with a virus of this type, there are the certain amount of those, people who will never become ill, and are the main reason for different variances in a virus. These are known as carriers, superspreaders. No matter the viral load, in a community of people living close together in terrible conditions, abject poverty, no medical treatment or care. Many will be struck down, but there is always one or two who have no symptoms, no illness, no effects whatsoever.</p><p></p><p>We have to learn from the pandemic, we cannot be so unprepared, so blind to the human cost, the dogma of politics, the audacity of making profit from misery, the power grab, the delinquency of duty of government. The absolute disgrace of our gutter press and media of responsibility to the people of this country. We do not deserve this abhorrent behaviour and self serving manipulation of the British people.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lamont D, post: 2590165, member: 85785"] Just found this. Not going to discuss either side. The lockdown was really bad mentally to me. But the government got so much wrong, from the outset, the science, the preparation, the mindset of what was more important, life or the economy. My colleagues and I found out about this 'Chinese virus' , because they were prevented from travelling in October/November 2019. It is called 'corona virus 19, because of the year that it was identified. Five months later, lockdown!!!! Wether right or wrong, opinion divided, just if wrong, so late. The virus was always airborne, nothing else made sense! With this type of virus, similar to colds, flu and some other infections, it turns into a lottery of who is infected. Regardless of age, colour, race, environmental, fitness, rich or poor. The likelihood of infection is really high in some, really low in others, and in a certain percentage, won't be touched by it at all, a natural immunity. However, the treatment you receive is dependent on the same things, age, the poorer, unhealthy, the environment and so on, is against those susceptible. My immediate family, did not suffer as some did, We had no covid fatalities. Why? I have a large family, my four children, and their partners were all on the front line, in hospitals, care homes, schools, shops, travelling around and distribution. My grandchildren, only one had a mild dose! He was at work and had been out in town, drinking! I myself before lockdown were very close to others, who had already come across others who had been effected, but it didn't effect my disabled wife, my father in law, who had numerous compromised conditions. But never got it. Spent time in hospital in the February of 2020! If the figures are correct on the death rates. Why was western Europe, the Americas, hit the hardest? I think that, because the natural immunity that is built up during our younger years, is now since the improvement in our health has compromised the effect of catching colds, flu and other viruses. The western world has become more susceptible to them. It does seem to me, that some have continuous symptoms. Why was the figures wave after wave higher in northern temperate climate? Not in tropical or sub tropical areas. To me, the vaccine was at first, found to be helpful to some, but not all, it didn't really stop the pandemic, it didn't stop the the different variances of the virus. But it was and still is being used as a political solution to assuage the debate, a distraction to what was actually happening, to normalise, to make people believe, the government was doing something, when it was completely out of its depth and stuck in dogma. To get through it without losing the power. The vaccine was more useful as a population suppressor, as was the lockdown, not because the government wanted it, but to appease the science, the press, the thought that other countries may be right! As an island, if lockdown was the answer, why didn't we close all our borders. The main reason was food and other essentials, we cant feed ourselves! However, the clamp down was piecemeal and indiscriminate. Maybe why brexit was such a bad idea! We are so dependent on each other, for everything!I My son works for a steel importer, the amount is unbelievable, the ships never stopped from all over the world. Some ships had covid, some not. But no isolation or suppression of movement in and out of ports. The majority of working hours in this country are not in offices! Though you wouldn't think so. According to this so out of touch government!!! the likes of factories, which never closed, where only certain covid modifications were made. Was so slow, that would not have made any difference. When talking about certain vaccines, I always refer to the smallpox and of course, Jenner. Smallpox was rampant, but has been eradicated. Solely due to world wide immunisation. The original vaccine was originally trying to catch up with those already infected. Because once you had the disease, it had to run its course. But preventative immunisation, works better, as a small viral load does build up a higher resilience to the virus. That is why some people get side effects, some don't! It's a lottery! So once, the virus has taken a hold, and those people with it, it has to run its course, unless, the vaccine prevents further illness and symptoms. If you are fortunate enough not to have caught the virus or naturally immune, then a vaccine will work against said virus and be more resilient against it. With a vaccine, immunisation is far more effective before someone gets the virus. That is why, even those that have been immunised, could still be down with it. Viral load is important and of course how resilient certain people for many reasons are to the vaccine. In so many of the victims, the cart came before the horse. The vaccine was ineffective, because the resilience wasn't there. If we had the vaccine in 2018, it would have been more effective. I have been tested so many times, been in hospitals all through the last three years, all negative. Why? No idea! It is a lottery! Finally, with a virus of this type, there are the certain amount of those, people who will never become ill, and are the main reason for different variances in a virus. These are known as carriers, superspreaders. No matter the viral load, in a community of people living close together in terrible conditions, abject poverty, no medical treatment or care. Many will be struck down, but there is always one or two who have no symptoms, no illness, no effects whatsoever. We have to learn from the pandemic, we cannot be so unprepared, so blind to the human cost, the dogma of politics, the audacity of making profit from misery, the power grab, the delinquency of duty of government. The absolute disgrace of our gutter press and media of responsibility to the people of this country. We do not deserve this abhorrent behaviour and self serving manipulation of the British people. [/QUOTE]
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