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New guy here.

Tco

Newbie
Messages
4
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
Hi I am male, 73 years of age, carrying two types of cancer, have had a bout of pancreatitis and have on June 9th this year was diagnosed as having Diabetes type 2. Since then I have tried to lose weight, with a little sucess, having gone from 112 kg to around 104kg. This was achieved in about six weeks, since then it seems to have stalled at that figure. A complicating factor is (for the moment) my cancer doctors have told me I must NOT exercise for fear of damaging the site of some plastic surgery. So I have one set of doctors urging me to take exercise and others urging me not to. I am trying to mediate my diet and general health, but I start from a situation where I don't take additional sugar in (say) tea or coffee, don't use condiments or sauces anyway, I don't drink hardly any alcohol, (I think I had a shandy about three weeks ago) and neither do I smoke. I don't eat sweets, but I do like a bit of cake. I like walking, cycling (now banned). So that is me, does anyone recognise these problems?
 
Hello young man (1 year younger than me), and welcome. We will offer you very gently ways to deal with your T2. Exercise doesn't have to be a 4-minute mile. What you eat could be vital as you will see when @daisy1 gives you her great guide to managing your condition.
 

I wish you luck with your condition TCO. I wonder if your bout with pancreatitis may not have been responsible for getting Diabetes 2. Sticking to a good blood sugar range (4-7) on average with a 10 limit postprandreal, should help and avoiding sugars and carbs will help you. I hope things go well for you. I have friends who are presently successfully treated with cancers. Cheers.
 
@Tco

Hello and welcome to the forum Well done with your weight loss. Here is the information we give to new members, as mentioned above, and I hope you will find it helps you. Cutting down the carbs is the best thing. Ask more questions and someone will be able to answer you.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Thanks all for your comments.
 
Hi and welcome. The important thing as Daisy says is to cut down all carbs of which sugar is just one. Set yourself a daily limit of perhaps 150gm to start with and use a meter to guide you. To make up for the reduced carbs, add protein, fats and veg to make you feel full
 
Hi and welcome. Exercise can help, but don't worry too much about not being able to for now, because it doesn't have much effect on weight loss really. It doesn't burn many calories. Reducing carbs is much more effective for blood sugar control and weight loss. Good luck with your recovery.
 
Pancreatitis can trigger T1 but I'm not aware of any research suggesting it is linked to T2, which is caused by insulin resistance and changes to liver function.

A limit of 10 after meals is too high. We should ideally try to stay under 7.8 at all times, and not have an increase of more than 2 points 2 hours after meals.
 
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