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<blockquote data-quote="AndBreathe" data-source="post: 1235944" data-attributes="member: 88961"><p>Blimey - This thread took some ploughing through. There's lots in it, and really a bit all over the shop, but then, sometimes discussions do that.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, just a very small interjection from me.</p><p></p><p>I've gone back through the correspondence I had with Professor Taylor 2015. I have no correspondence later than Feb 2015, so I can only comment on his responses and theories, relating to my personal circumstances at that time.</p><p></p><p>Briefly; Professor Taylor believes everyone has a Personal Fat Threshold, which in individual, and there is little, as I understand it, to aid prediction of where that lies at the moment. Anyone having watched any of his presentations will have seen his bicycle analogy on what arises when we are unable to metabolise our blood sugars in what would be considered a "normal" way. His lectures can be found in various places online if anyone hasn't watched them. For anyone who hasn't seen his analogy, it's worth listening to at as it's a very simple explanation that makes sense to me, but ten I'm a visualiser.</p><p></p><p>I didn't follow the ND, and indeed it only came to my attention a little while after diagnosis and I was already on a path which was returning me good results. The prospect of several weeks on shakes really didn't appeal either, but that's a digression.</p><p></p><p>In essence, summarising the various emails, he confirmed that in his view the weight/visceral fat loss was the important factor, rather than an specific methodology or pace. Given he had my summary data, his statement to me was that maintaining weight loss would likely be critical to me, although of course, neither of us know at which point I crossed my PFT, and there's no way of backward testing that without recrossing it. I'll pass on that, thanks!</p><p></p><p>Professor Taylor has been quoted in various places as saying we need only lose 1gr of pancreatic fat in order to reverse our diabetes. Personally, I view that as a quote without context, and interpret it as needing to lose that 1gr of pancreatic fat that breeches the PFT, as opposed to 1gr in absolute terms.</p><p></p><p>Obviously, I don't have RH, although some of my blood glucose drops can be pretty swift, but I call that efficient, rather than problematic. I know I got very lucky in all of this with the results I managed to achieve with what appears to have been a fraction of the effort other people have had to deploy to make any headway. Perhaps it is on that basis that I find it easier to keep my views fairly simply. Who knows.</p><p></p><p>Whilst many people have used the ND/whole food ND/8 week sugar diet (which is broadly similar to the ND), or even IF to achieve their end game to the point of transition onto new-normal eating patterns, but along the wayI don't think I have seen anyone who achieved a repeated normo-glycaemic HbA1c score, without medication, without some degree of weightloss. Some remain heavier than a "normal BMI", but that just suggests their PFT is higher than others.</p><p></p><p>There are those, like Richard Doughty who breeched their PFTs within a very brief few days 11 to be precise. His story is here: </p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/may/12/type-2-diabetes-diet-cure" target="_blank">https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/may/12/type-2-diabetes-diet-cure</a></p><p></p><p>I'm certain that ramble doesn't address any new paradigm, but my simple mind likes to have simple focus points.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AndBreathe, post: 1235944, member: 88961"] Blimey - This thread took some ploughing through. There's lots in it, and really a bit all over the shop, but then, sometimes discussions do that. Anyway, just a very small interjection from me. I've gone back through the correspondence I had with Professor Taylor 2015. I have no correspondence later than Feb 2015, so I can only comment on his responses and theories, relating to my personal circumstances at that time. Briefly; Professor Taylor believes everyone has a Personal Fat Threshold, which in individual, and there is little, as I understand it, to aid prediction of where that lies at the moment. Anyone having watched any of his presentations will have seen his bicycle analogy on what arises when we are unable to metabolise our blood sugars in what would be considered a "normal" way. His lectures can be found in various places online if anyone hasn't watched them. For anyone who hasn't seen his analogy, it's worth listening to at as it's a very simple explanation that makes sense to me, but ten I'm a visualiser. I didn't follow the ND, and indeed it only came to my attention a little while after diagnosis and I was already on a path which was returning me good results. The prospect of several weeks on shakes really didn't appeal either, but that's a digression. In essence, summarising the various emails, he confirmed that in his view the weight/visceral fat loss was the important factor, rather than an specific methodology or pace. Given he had my summary data, his statement to me was that maintaining weight loss would likely be critical to me, although of course, neither of us know at which point I crossed my PFT, and there's no way of backward testing that without recrossing it. I'll pass on that, thanks! Professor Taylor has been quoted in various places as saying we need only lose 1gr of pancreatic fat in order to reverse our diabetes. Personally, I view that as a quote without context, and interpret it as needing to lose that 1gr of pancreatic fat that breeches the PFT, as opposed to 1gr in absolute terms. Obviously, I don't have RH, although some of my blood glucose drops can be pretty swift, but I call that efficient, rather than problematic. I know I got very lucky in all of this with the results I managed to achieve with what appears to have been a fraction of the effort other people have had to deploy to make any headway. Perhaps it is on that basis that I find it easier to keep my views fairly simply. Who knows. Whilst many people have used the ND/whole food ND/8 week sugar diet (which is broadly similar to the ND), or even IF to achieve their end game to the point of transition onto new-normal eating patterns, but along the wayI don't think I have seen anyone who achieved a repeated normo-glycaemic HbA1c score, without medication, without some degree of weightloss. Some remain heavier than a "normal BMI", but that just suggests their PFT is higher than others. There are those, like Richard Doughty who breeched their PFTs within a very brief few days 11 to be precise. His story is here: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/may/12/type-2-diabetes-diet-cure[/URL] I'm certain that ramble doesn't address any new paradigm, but my simple mind likes to have simple focus points. [/QUOTE]
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