When statins was raised with me, the rationale given was that because I was diabetic I had increased risk of Cardiovascular Disease. I was told that while my cholesterol was ok for non-diabetics usually for diabetics it is desirable to get it down to 4.0. I was only told to think about it. When I next went in a few months later I had researched it better and was ready to explain why I would not commence statins. As it happened my BG numbers had come down a lot to non-diabetic levels so it was not actually raised.First week of Newcastle diet and 9kg down after my GP diagnosis mid December. I started the ND on 27th December after trying to conventionally diet for the first 2 weeks and doing as much research into type 2 reversal as I could.
Got an appointment with the diabetic nurse on Monday and concerned that they will prescribe statins and metformin although hopefully my weight loss and my BP falling to normal levels will help me persuade them to try to continue on this path.
When statins was raised with me, the rationale given was that because I was diabetic I had increased risk of Cardiovascular Disease. I was told that while my cholesterol was ok for non-diabetics usually for diabetics it is desirable to get it down to 4.0. I was only told to think about it. When I next went in a few months later I had researched it better and was ready to explain why I would not commence statins. As it happened my BG numbers had come down a lot to non-diabetic levels so it was not actually raised.
If you've not already seen it there is a really helpful thread which collates some useful info the subject: https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/cholesterol-and-statins.156985/
Thanks @ajbod ,the ND is a 1-2-3 step approach. From what I have read, reintroducing a healthy diet in step 2 and then totally dropping the shakes by step 3 is a challenge too. I'm 'armed' with the Hairy Bikers book, "Eat to Beat Type 2 Diabetes", so planning to follow use that as a guide to what I should be eating and what ingredients I should be avoiding (along with all the other research and reading I've been doing these past few weeks).You will need a plan for after the ND diet, otherwise most of the weight will probably rapidly return. I take 1000 Mg of Metformin a day, and although my hbA1c is still just not diabetic levels, this is for the benefits of the circulatory system.
You will need a plan for after the ND diet, otherwise most of the weight will probably rapidly return.
Yeah, I went a bit crackers after doing it in 2016 - I lost around 4 stone so "just a little xxx won't hurt"
I've put all that and more back on since. BUT that was cause I got cocky with it and thought I could take the mick and lose it again easily if needed.
Do not let this discourage you though, it was personal that I let myself slip, and didn't really make those long term changes.
TBF The guy who did the ND studies does make clear there are phases and you have to get used to making long term habitual/behavioural changes and get used to eating a whole lot less (forever) when you come off the initial phase of the diet. It was handy for me at first as didn't need to work out all the nutrients and just bosh a shake.
If anything I could have heeded the next phase instead of thinking "I was done here" once a decent weight.
Maybe I could have been making sure what nutrients I should be getting WHILE I was doing the shakes too.
Oddly enough now though I weigh more than in 2016 and my hb1ac is a lot less in the pre-diabetic range now, so I reckon various factors could have been present back then, or that I gave myself diabetes resistance training or something
I've started the shakes again and will follow the phased approach this time, not just for diabetes sake, but weight<>health too.
@ravensmitten Would you be willing to share your starting and most recent hba1c results, and your weights?Oddly enough now though I weigh more than in 2016 and my hb1ac is a lot less in the pre-diabetic range now, so I reckon various factors could have been present back then, or that I gave myself diabetes resistance training or something
@ravensmitten Would you be willing to share your starting and most recent hba1c results, and your weights?
I know there are very many on here who would be really interested in your experiences
@ravensmitten
I cannot reply to your post for some reason, but this is my reply
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Seems the ND did you a favour and reset the system for you (aka Boot Camp). Like I would imagine it should. You are carb aware now, so I am guessing you are not splurging the carbs as much as you used to. Please correct me if this is a wrong assumption on my part. Are you still doing manual work / contracting?
The weight gain is unfortunate, but does put to rest the argument that diabetes problems are all about weight. I am reminded that T2D is a creepy disiease in that it takes time to build up to the point where it announces itself. Many years in essence. So you may still be in remission, possibly helped by lower carb diet (another assumption about your consumption). You have expresssesd a wish to reduce weight, which I will second. At the moment it is a choice. But there is something in the old wives tale and the original NICE guidelines that adopted the induction treatment as lifestyle changes and weight loss - there are years of experience behind that, even though many find it arrogant advice from the HCP's. That is what they found that worked, as well as the Low Carb Banting diet pre 1900. I am talking pre insulin days here"
Do you mean the word that also describes a gambling game using dice? I wish they would train their Bots to detect when I mistype Carbs as Crabs.Thank you for your reply
I WAS splurging on processed carbs between 2017-2022 again knowing full well they were no good for me in excess, often splurging too many at points, If I avoided them weight would seem to fall off without trying. (I think maybe I gave up trying for a bit.) and the reverse, as soon as I start on the eating nonsense and high carb foods, I'll put a stone on in a week as if something is all out of whack. (not exaggerated, I went up a stone in a week once)
Odd thing is I don't get that hungry or crave carbs or even want **** food if I don't start on it, so maybe it's more behavioural; related to habit and addictions which I've beat several of in the past. Maybe I haven't beat them at all and I'm using food as a substitute but I guess we could get into a massive subject here so I'll hold back in this thread.
However, I DID start midway to the end of last year being a bit more mindful of what I was eating again (post 'prediabetes' result.) as I KNOW what I should be eating and am carrying on with that now, as a way of life with some weight loss as a bonus.
But no, I went from very physical work to working in a desk oriented studio role back then, without adjusting for the fact too, a huge step down in activity. I'm guessing this is why you ask?
I think you are right, weight is only one part of a more complex picture, it has to be - though not a bad idea to control it for many reasons, I suffer with some of the symptoms that I won't bore everyone with but I think is my body saying, maybe even crying out "No, this is enough." and I'm listening fully, resolving to get as fit and as well as I can - maybe its my 'mid-life crisis' calling but a less destructive one than some.
As you say I seem to be lucky enough to have the choice right now, for which I'm grateful.
Edit - Ha, the forum starred out a less expletive four-letter word than you'll think that I wrote when reading it.
Do you mean the word that also describes a gambling game using dice? I wish they would train their Bots to detect when I mistype Carbs as Crabs.
So, lets see if I read you right. You did ND, but then went back to eating a somewhat unrestricted diet, full of nutritional detritus, and put on oodles of excess tonnage. Yet your HbA1c improved?Thank you for your reply
I WAS splurging on processed carbs between 2017-2022 again knowing full well they were no good for me in excess, often splurging too many at points, If I avoided them weight would seem to fall off without trying. (I think maybe I gave up trying for a bit.) and the reverse, as soon as I start on the eating nonsense and high carb foods, I'll put a stone on in a week as if something is all out of whack. (not exaggerated, I went up a stone in a week once)
Odd thing is I don't get that hungry or crave carbs or even want **** food if I don't start on it, so maybe it's more behavioural; related to habit and addictions which I've beat several of in the past. Maybe I haven't beat them at all and I'm using food as a substitute but I guess we could get into a massive subject here so I'll hold back in this thread.
However, I DID start midway to the end of last year being a bit more mindful of what I was eating again (post 'prediabetes' result.) as I KNOW what I should be eating and am carrying on with that now, as a way of life with some weight loss as a bonus.
But no, I went from very physical work to working in a desk oriented studio role back then, without adjusting for the fact too, a huge step down in activity. I'm guessing this is why you ask?
I think you are right, weight is only one part of a more complex picture, it has to be - though not a bad idea to control it for many reasons, I suffer with some of the symptoms that I won't bore everyone with but I think is my body saying, maybe even crying out "No, this is enough." and I'm listening fully, resolving to get as fit and as well as I can - maybe its my 'mid-life crisis' calling but a less destructive one than some.
As you say I seem to be lucky enough to have the choice right now, for which I'm grateful.
Edit - Ha, the forum starred out a less expletive four-letter word than you'll think that I wrote when reading it.
So, lets see if I read you right. You did ND, but then went back to eating a somewhat unrestricted diet, full of nutritional detritus, and put on oodles of excess tonnage. Yet your HbA1c improved?
So it leaves us with another causal parameter, which I postulate is longevity. Poor metabolic function requires long term abuse.
So I ask you to think.
Before ND did you eat a lot of fruit, and post ND did you continue to eat lots of fruit? Or have you cut down on fruit this last two years?
Aha !!!!!! And the winner is........?Yes, that's correct, the mind boggles.
I thought maybe this, that it could have taken a very long time to get where I was at, did a "reset" and then I'm slowly getting back that way but not yet there again, but from what I read about a "personal fat threshold" I'd have imagined, that I'd have crossed that when I re-passed the weight I was at to have had too much fat-in-the-organs when I was first diagnosed - of course I have no scan of those organs to go by only the weight I was, and am now
Maybe its distributed differently. or maybe some error in the more recent testing, or influenced by something else. so many factors.
The rest of what you say is very interesting
I'm not sure what constitutes a lot of fruit, maybe a piece or two a week before, I've eaten more fruit in the last 2 years if anything.
If you switched the word fruit there for fizzy pop it would be true, before 2016 I would drink a fair bit of cola every week and since 2016 I've had about 3 glasses, so there is that.
“The type of sugar listed on the label is not always consistent with the type of sugar detected,” they wrote. “Considering that the average American drinks 50 gallons of soda and other sweetened beverages each year, it is important that we have more precise information regarding what they contain, including a listing of the fructose content.”
No need at all to apologies, it's all very interesting and in some ways similar to my own story. I was only diagnosed mid December when probably at my 'peak' weight. Not for medical reasons but prior to lockdown I'd lost about 20kg but then steadily regained the weight again, so I now wonder if I was approaching diabetes back then too and just managed to delay it by losing weight, whereas this time, I've gone past my "personal fat threshold".I apologise in advance to @KeithAnd if this is hijacking the thread,
Agree with that @Oldvatr ,it does sound probableSeems the ND did you a favour and reset the system for you (aka Boot Camp)
My understanding is among the other rot-gut there wasn't any HFCS in UK Coca-Cola
Happy to admit my knowledge may be out of date though.
Reading
Would be interesting to see that study repeated with UK beverages
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