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Cholesterol and Statins

Discussion in 'Other Health Conditions and Diabetes' started by bulkbiker, Oct 2, 2018.

  1. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Master

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    There are always a lot of threads about Statins and Cholesterol and we all post our various favourite bits of current presentations about them but I thought it might be handy to have them all in one thread. I meant to put this together soon after the get together in Birmingham (sorry @Debandez) but have been a bit distracted (thanks to twitter) since then so thought it was about time I pulled my finger out and put something down. I'll try and take the best bits of what I have posted previously and nick some bits from others... please anyone feel free to add what you find so we can have a one stop shop for the curious.

    Full disclosure... I can't think of a single reason why I would take a statin.. ever

    LDL Does Not Cause Cardiovascular Disease
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17512433.2018.1519391?scroll=top&needAccess=true

    full study here
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/pybuhn9wp...lar Disease - a comprehensive review.pdf?dl=0

    Need a link to the great Dr Malcolm Kendrick... no statin page would be complete without the sceptic in chief...

    https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/about/

    Great piece explaining how statins work and the nasty things they may be doing to you by Nick Mailer



    Why your LDL may go up on a low carb/ketogenic regime



    Dave Feldman and of course a link to his site

    http://cholesterolcode.com

    Statins stimulate atherosclerosis?

    http://explore.tandfonline.com/content/med/statins-stimulate-atherosclerosis-and-heart-failure

    Flaws in early statin trials

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4513492/
    " Curiously, statin trials conducted after 2005 have failed to demonstrate a consistent mortality benefit"

    Statin induced diabetes

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4156828/

    Statin induced peripheral neuropathy

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3103035/

    Prof Sherif Sultan doesn't like them much either and he is/was President of International Society for Vascular Surgery



    Nor does David Diamond



    Also a huge amount of info from Ivor Cummins

    http://www.thefatemperor.com

    Hopefully that will be a start...










     
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  2. Hotpepper20000

    Hotpepper20000 · Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for putting all this information in one thread!!!!
     
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  3. hankjam

    hankjam Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    Good piece of work and time well spent.
    Cheers @bulkbiker
     
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    KK123 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    Great post and very helpful, thank you.
     
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  5. Bluetit1802

    Bluetit1802 Type 2 (in remission!) · Guru

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    Thank you @bulkbiker what a wonderful idea. It could be even better if it were made a sticky somewhere.
     
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  6. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Master

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    Not my idea.... it was that @Debandez wot dun it!
     
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  7. Debandez

    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    I LOVE it!!! Your comment did make me smile....a lot @bulkbiker.
     
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  8. Debandez

    Debandez Type 2 (in remission!) · Well-Known Member

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    This is amazing!!! Thanks @bulkbiker .....you are a star, always.
     
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  9. Guzzler

    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    Totally should be a sticky.
     
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  10. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Master

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    Feel I should add this one if only for this quote..

    https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(18)30404-2/fulltext?dgcid=raven_jbs_etoc_email

    "Promoting foods that are low in cholesterol but typically high in refined carbohydrates is supposed to help prevent coronary heart disease. Paradoxically, there is now evidence that these dietary changes have contributed to the epidemic of diabetes that can actually lead to coronary heart disease. Furthermore, some statin users mistakenly believe they can eat whatever they want, leading to the phenomenon of statin gluttony. Consider also that the recent expansion of statin indications may result in millions of healthy individuals being treated because of a risk score even though they may be at extremely low risk of coronary heart disease."
     
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    shelley262 Type 2 · Well-Known Member

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    Well done on this one @bulkbiker what a brilliant resource for us all
     
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    Indy51 Type 2 · Expert

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    Ah yes, the old 'magic pill', 'silver bullet' myth. Unfortunately a lot of Type 2's seem to labour under the same magical thinking - the GP will be able to fix things for me and I won't need to change a thing :rolleyes:
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Master

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    NicoleC1971 Type 1 · Well-Known Member

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    I was listening to an Aseem Malhotra anecdote in which a cardiology professor stood up at conference and said something like for those who hate exercise, like me, you can take a statin. If like a bike helmet or a seat belt a statin actually helped any but those with established heart disease (number needed to treat = 83 based on recent meta anlaysis of even the pharma biased big drug trials) though) then might be a rational choice.
    Now where can I get that t shirt ' I cannot think of any reason to take a statin ..ever'. Probably too old to be wearing slogans tees I suppose...
     
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  15. bulkbiker

    bulkbiker Type 2 · Master

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    Never too old for that one!.. in fact as we know for women the older you are the better you are with cholesterol higher...
     
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    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    I thought I'd share this one from Kendrick even though I disagree on the topic of PUFAs. It's an hour on Cholesterol, SatFats, CVD and stress among other things.

     
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    Guzzler Type 2 · Master

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    This one is not new (2015) but it has the basics and at twenty minutes it is great for anyone just starting on their research. Prof. Sikaris "Cholesterol - when to worry".

     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Master

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    Resurgam Type 2 (in remission!) · Expert

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    I just realized that the last knitting magazine I bought was December 2016 - a periodical I have bought every month for decades, machine knitting is my profession, my interest and only source of income.
    When I went to the exhibition held locally last weekend, I was surprised, and it slowly dawned on me that I'd not been getting them for some time. I thought that I was recovering - and things have definitely changed so I can remember better - but even though the collection of magazines is on show it never occurred to me that there were no new ones. I have now ordered back issues and got a subscription in place, but I am now wondering what else there is lost and forgotten.
     
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    bulkbiker Type 2 · Master

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