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<blockquote data-quote="julie54" data-source="post: 425787" data-attributes="member: 74063"><p>Hi again Sue!! Oooooh 23/24 degrees - envy, envy envy!!! 8) </p><p></p><p>I am unsure about the issue of needing to be in a state of ketosis for the visceral fat to be used - I think Professor Taylor was just working on the premise of a very low calorie diet, rather than being in ketosis - and maybe that is why carrots are included as an ok vegetable. But I just stuck to it strictly - although I couldn't get the Optifast shakes which were used in the trial because they are only available here on prescription - and having an awkward G.P. meant that that was a non-starter!! So I used the Asda shakes which came out with the same calorie values, and were very cheap (£4 for a tin with 12 servings). I was concerned that the Asda shakes were made up with milk (optifast are made with water) and milk is one of the things which he said we shouldn't have). So I did e-mail Professor Taylor and he did reply - which was pretty brilliant of him - as I am sure he is a very busy man!! He said:</p><p></p><p><strong>Dear Julie </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Apologises for the delay in replying. I have received a very large number of emails about this matter.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>I hope this advice is still timely. Making up the shakes with skimmed milk is reasonable. It may extend somewhat the period of time necessary to achieve the degree of weight loss necessary to reverse diabetes. For the intended short term period of weight loss nutritional deficiency is extremely unlikely although iron balance is always worth watching. </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Best wishes for future health.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Yours sincerely </strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p> <strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Roy Taylor</strong></p><p></p><p>What a super man to take the time to reply to me!! But he was quite reassuring in that he confirmed it is about the degree of weight loss which is more important than how you get there! I would, of course have preferred to have been able to use Optifast - but at the end of the day we just have to go with whatever we can use as a substitute. </p><p></p><p>Thanks for the tip on cauliflower mash on shepherds pie - that is one I will be doing next weekend! I haven't tried celeriac - always been a bit put off thinking it might taste like celery which I don't like!! It may be nothing like it - is it???!!!! Celeriac virgin here!!!</p><p></p><p>Cauliflower rice - dead easy. Just get a head of cauliflower and grate it (use a big bowl - it tends to go everywhere!!) Once grated, fry in olive oil and hey ho - cauliflower rice! You can add egg to make it a bit like egg fried rice too. One of the other great tips I found here on these forums.</p><p></p><p>As far as being sorted - I am not there yet - still got quite a bit of weight to go - I reckon I am about half way there. My aim was to lose 4 stone - and so far two have gone. This is why I think I will take up the shakes again for a couple of weeks - to give it another burst. Its all trial and error - but if weight loss is the aim - then whatever route gets you there is fine!!</p><p></p><p>Another little tip - I found that the vegetable soup freezes well if you want to batch make and have it ready to hand as and when needed.</p><p></p><p>Its great talking to you too - I look forward to seeing your replies. Its so important to be alongside other like-minded people!!</p><p></p><p>Julie</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="julie54, post: 425787, member: 74063"] Hi again Sue!! Oooooh 23/24 degrees - envy, envy envy!!! 8) I am unsure about the issue of needing to be in a state of ketosis for the visceral fat to be used - I think Professor Taylor was just working on the premise of a very low calorie diet, rather than being in ketosis - and maybe that is why carrots are included as an ok vegetable. But I just stuck to it strictly - although I couldn't get the Optifast shakes which were used in the trial because they are only available here on prescription - and having an awkward G.P. meant that that was a non-starter!! So I used the Asda shakes which came out with the same calorie values, and were very cheap (£4 for a tin with 12 servings). I was concerned that the Asda shakes were made up with milk (optifast are made with water) and milk is one of the things which he said we shouldn't have). So I did e-mail Professor Taylor and he did reply - which was pretty brilliant of him - as I am sure he is a very busy man!! He said: [b]Dear Julie Apologises for the delay in replying. I have received a very large number of emails about this matter. I hope this advice is still timely. Making up the shakes with skimmed milk is reasonable. It may extend somewhat the period of time necessary to achieve the degree of weight loss necessary to reverse diabetes. For the intended short term period of weight loss nutritional deficiency is extremely unlikely although iron balance is always worth watching. Best wishes for future health. Yours sincerely Roy Taylor[/b] What a super man to take the time to reply to me!! But he was quite reassuring in that he confirmed it is about the degree of weight loss which is more important than how you get there! I would, of course have preferred to have been able to use Optifast - but at the end of the day we just have to go with whatever we can use as a substitute. Thanks for the tip on cauliflower mash on shepherds pie - that is one I will be doing next weekend! I haven't tried celeriac - always been a bit put off thinking it might taste like celery which I don't like!! It may be nothing like it - is it???!!!! Celeriac virgin here!!! Cauliflower rice - dead easy. Just get a head of cauliflower and grate it (use a big bowl - it tends to go everywhere!!) Once grated, fry in olive oil and hey ho - cauliflower rice! You can add egg to make it a bit like egg fried rice too. One of the other great tips I found here on these forums. As far as being sorted - I am not there yet - still got quite a bit of weight to go - I reckon I am about half way there. My aim was to lose 4 stone - and so far two have gone. This is why I think I will take up the shakes again for a couple of weeks - to give it another burst. Its all trial and error - but if weight loss is the aim - then whatever route gets you there is fine!! Another little tip - I found that the vegetable soup freezes well if you want to batch make and have it ready to hand as and when needed. Its great talking to you too - I look forward to seeing your replies. Its so important to be alongside other like-minded people!! Julie [/QUOTE]
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