Really sorry pipp apologies for the confusion there, changed my post.As I like being called a legend I will forgive you for making me a bloke. I am a girl. A big bossy girl but definitely a girl.
Not sure about the legend label though. I am still very overweight but less than I was. Even so BG levels still fine and recent HbA1c good but only just.
A legend missed from list is @paulins she has been very successful and even though she did ND after me has given lots of excellent advice.
I initially did 600 cals a day. No veg.
Seems to me that @moonchip is following guidelines ok, though maybe 240 grams veg per day,could be the right amount. Also not sure about the avocado.
What is it that you are querying @AndBreathe? (The pencils are being sharpened so be prepared to stay in at playtime).
Sorry Pipp and @moonchip, I somehow read you were only having the veg at each meal. Your post was clear, I must just have had one of those special brain fades.
Pass the spec cleaner spray, please!!
Really sorry pipp apologies for the confusion there, changed my post.
Just wanted to put everyone together whose done or not done the ND. I would love to join the wagon too and preparing my body for the assault it will be going through in a few days. I need to see the DN to see what she says. I dont think if she says dont do it I will agree to it.
do you left click highlight and right click copy and then right click paste where you want it?I would take the info from the website (sorry, I am lousy at putting links on here)
www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal.htm.
Be prepared to leave it with doc for them to consider it at leisure, as they usually don't have time in a consultation appointment.
Good luck.
do you left click highlight and right click copy and then right click paste where you want it?
Wow my gp does not see a patient for more than 50 seconds. What chance do I stand.
Wow my gp does not see a patient for more than 50 seconds. What chance do I stand.
Using a tablet not a PCdo you left click highlight and right click copy and then right click paste where you want it?
It depends though on whether you have other health conditions.Also, remember that you're only asking your Doctor for his/her support to try it
Ultimately, unless he/she lives with you and force feeds you, its down to you what you eat
As per my original post, I'm trying ND now with the support of my Doctor but the DN still only recommends the 'official NHS diabetes diet'
I knew I'd written a good compelling letter with enough 'get out' for him if it failed hence there was every expectation that he would support me
But ultimately, its your choice - you're 33 so you're an adult and every so often there comes a time where you have to have self-belief, commit and make the decision for yourself
It depends though on whether you have other health conditions.
I would always recommend getting GP on board.
Brettza - the relationship you have with your GP clearly isn't great, but in all things negotiation, you can usually at least influence the outcome. I would make a couple of suggestions.
You know you can only talk about one thing, so that thing is the ND. If he wants to meander off, then remind him why you are there and even say you are keen to stick by his rules for the appointment.
Secondly, assuming you have no other health conditions you may need to have taken into account, I would not be going in asking if it's OKAY to do the ND. I would be going in to inform him of my intent and to ask what support he can afford me over the duration. Beforehand, I would have thought through what he could offer me, and what I would find to be any sort of acceptable compromise. Examples might be starting and finishing HbA1cs, or fortnightly chat and weigh in (if that appealed to you). Your compromise might be for an HbA1c at the end, and a decent ignoring for the duration of the diet.
Frankly, the easy response, if you ask for permission, is for your Doc to not recommend it, as it isn't aligned to current NHS guidelines (and he may feel out of his depth recommending someone he has never heard of), so make that a situation he is going to have to think through, rather than a knee-jerk "Computer says "No"" response.
You must also think through some of the challenges he might put forward and how you might counter them. You should consider a list of circumstances under which you would agree to contact the surgery immediately, should you encounter them on the diet - like feeling unwell, or unable to function in your normal daily routine, or suffering hypos. Of course the answer in those circumstances could be to desist or rest from the ND for a period, but I think you have to demonstrate you have thought this through in some detail and have looked at the risks as well as the rewards.
And, finally, as I understand you live in London, it seems likely there are other Gp practises around you could consider moving to? Much as none of us probably want to be best buddies with our Doctors, it is important we respect them, or whatever diagnosis or challenge they make to us we will (even subliminally) resist.
What I learned loudly and clearly at diagnosis is that my GP hasn't a clue about diabetes. The GP in the practise with an "interest" in diabetes, and oversees the clinics isn't too much more on the ball, as far as we would be concerned. And the GP I now seem to deal with has told be I know more about diabetes and lipids than she does. They're GPs, floundering in the swamp of chronic conditions and over work. That's not saying any of that is acceptabl, but it is the reality we all have to live with.
For me? Waaaaaay back, I have a medic/scientific background, which undoubtedly makes understanding some of the more complex issues easier for me than for many, but I have made it my business to invest in myself by going on a massive learning curve so that I am empowered to understand where I am and what the potentials are for me and my condition.
Have a good hard think about this and prepare your strategy. Practise what you are going to say when you're there. And I do mean practise, either into a voice recorder or in front of your partner, or whatever. If it's important enough to be getting upset over, it's important enough to prepare for - like you would if you were going for a job interview, or asking for a rise.
This guy is your advisor, not your father.
@AndBreathe thanks a lot for your answer. I have looked into changing the gp but the other one closest to me or even the one that are a bit far have a reading worse than this one so I am like in a situation where he's the best amongst the rest and believe me he wants patients in and out in no time. All the reviews I read for my surgery are same as what I think no appointments, too little time given, rude receptionists, receptionist asking what's the urgency to get an urgent appointment, I don't think the receptionist needs to know, but hey if I need an urgent appointment I will have to tell her no other option.
Any other medical conditions, no is the answer at the moment. I am really hoping to get out of this too but as it wasn't in my hand to get diagnosed with it, it's not in my hand to get out of it. Thats life so I have taken it and moving on. But ND is one thing that a lot of members here are doing I don't really know if all went through there gp's or not but I am hoping they did. But having said that my GP dint know the full form of LADA so I am sure he/she knows nothing about ND, this is going to be over and above there head, but what you say is correct too that it would be good to have him on board and prepare for it like an interview although I am sure it's going to be a few second interview and nothing much. I see him friday and we will see what happens. I really want an a1c before as well and then after but if he's not going to do it I will order a kit. My old gp was much better but he's now far away in north london else I would have just registered myself back over there.
@moonchip you are right I can take my own decisions but problem is that this is a big decision to go on this diet, I am only 33 todayso I really want to try and give it a shot as if it works long term benefits are huge but I will take it one step at a time and first see what the gp says on friday. I will report back but I am so sure he will say take another appointment. Met is not suiting me so I need to get that changed first and then if he does talk I will put ND in front of him.
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