Newcastle Diet

Hi. Yes, those levels are a bit high. Be aware that the ND was never targeted directly at diabetics but works on the theory that lowering your calories is the way to go to reduce weight. It certainly helps but as diabetics we need to focus on the carbs and reducing calories is not the ideal approach. I'm not sure what is in your SF foods but be aware that many branded diet foods also focus on lowering the calories and hence fats and not the carbs. Look at the labels. Keep the carbs down and don't worry about fat.

Daibell said:

Hi. Yes, those levels are a bit high. Be aware that the ND was never targeted directly at diabetics but works on the theory that lowering your calories is the way to go to reduce weight. It certainly helps but as diabetics we need to focus on the carbs and reducing calories is not the ideal approach. I'm not sure what is in your SF foods but be aware that many branded diet foods also focus on lowering the calories and hence fats and not the carbs. Look at the labels. Keep the carbs down and don't worry about fat.

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From many posts on here, reducing carbs seems to merely address the symptoms. Which is fine if you can maintain that approach for your lifetime, and is an easier fix.
Reducing calories , as in the Newcastle Diet seems to address the actual cause, and while it may be harder, seems to have a better result with regard to the actual problem.
The op has bitten the bullet, and may indeed be on a good track, and needs to commit to the 8 weeks, with it's ups and downs.
Not for all, as it is certainly difficult.
Each to his own method though.

(you may need to check the 'Newcastle Diet', if you believe it's not related to diabetics, you seem to be way off track)

Mairead15 said:

Hi All
I am type 2 and I have been on Newcastle diet for 5 days now. I take 1000 Metformin twice daily. I stopped taking Gliclazide when I started diet as I was worried about lows. I am sticking strictly to the diet using Slimfast with water. I gym three times weekly and walk lots. I have lost 2 kilos. Since starting diet my fasting B/G have been 12 ( morning) and during the day only as low as 9. Are these levels normal when starting diet? How long before I have normal readings? Any advise would be much appreciated.

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You've reduced your BG by 25% in 5 days!
That's a result many on here would be impressed with, particularly as you've stopped your meds with it. Ignore the naysayers, that is stunning !

I have reduced my fat calories not doing new castle per se but in return I have greatly increased my insulin sensitivity. I lost most of my weight in my stomach/ love handle area. This shows me that the visceral fat plays a roll in insulin sensitivity as well as addressing the core issue rather than just keeping bs low with LC. I have done both but losing the belly fat has had the greatest effect

Mairead15 said:

Hi All
I am type 2 and I have been on Newcastle diet for 5 days now. I take 1000 Metformin twice daily. I stopped taking Gliclazide when I started diet as I was worried about lows. I am sticking strictly to the diet using Slimfast with water. I gym three times weekly and walk lots. I have lost 2 kilos. Since starting diet my fasting B/G have been 12 ( morning) and during the day only as low as 9. Are these levels normal when starting diet? How long before I have normal readings? Any advise would be much appreciated.

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What were your levels before you started?

SunnyExpat said:

From many posts on here, reducing carbs seems to merely address the symptoms. Which is fine if you can maintain that approach for your lifetime, and is an easier fix.
Reducing calories , as in the Newcastle Diet seems to address the actual cause, and while it may be harder, seems to have a better result with regard to the actual problem.
The op has bitten the bullet, and may indeed be on a good track, and needs to commit to the 8 weeks, with it's ups and downs.
Not for all, as it is certainly difficult.
Each to his own method though.

(you may need to check the 'Newcastle Diet', if you believe it's not related to diabetics, you seem to be way off track)

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I'm afraid I have to disagree. Reducing the carbs reduces the opportunity for your body's insulin production to convert them to carbs which may end up in them being stored as fat. Yes it doesn't cure the diabetes but there isn't yet a cure. The ND is neither a cure either (can you point to any facts that show that it targets the cause?). I'm not aware of any real evidence that shows that reducing fats (via the ND reduced calorie approach) helps reduce insulin resistance which is the main cause of T2 apart from the obvious genetic susceptibility that is needed as well. Anyway this is a bit off-topic. It the OP finds it works then fine but there is a hint that there is a way to go yet?

Daibell said:

I'm afraid I have to disagree. Reducing the carbs reduces the opportunity for your body's insulin production to convert them to carbs which may end up in them being stored as fat. Yes it doesn't cure the diabetes but there isn't yet a cure. The ND is neither a cure either (can you point to any facts that show that it targets the cause?). I'm not aware of any real evidence that shows that reducing fats (via the ND reduced calorie approach) helps reduce insulin resistance which is the main cause of T2 apart from the obvious genetic susceptibility that is needed as well. Anyway this is a bit off-topic. It the OP finds it works then fine but there is a hint that there is a way to go yet?

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It may be off topic, but you are also way off mark.
Thankfully all the evidence shows you are way off as well, so hopefully the op sees that as well and keeps on track.
Maybe you should be posting in the low carb section, rather than the low calorie, if you have some sort of bias. The rest of us keep an open mind, so it's always worth trying for us.
You aren't type 2, are you?
The op (and I) am, so while you mean well, possibly you aren't posting good advice for us?

I've cured my type 2 diabetes, so there must be a cure.

NoCrbs4Me said:

I've cured my type 2 diabetes, so there must be a cure.

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Can't disagree there, many seem to have on here.
It looks like there is light at the end of the tunnel for some.

I'm not going to search for evidence but the study of myself shows lowering my fat makes me MUCH more insulin sensative and while doing so I also lost my visceral fat 1st. That's all the evidence I need ....

Kristin251 said:

I'm not going to search for evidence but the study of myself shows lowering my fat makes me MUCH more insulin sensative and while doing so I also lost my visceral fat 1st. That's all the evidence I need ....

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I entirely support that.
The only thing that matters is what works for you.
Sometimes that can get lost,
So keep on track, and stay firm.
You seem to have made a massive improvement, keep at it!

Mairead15 said:

Hi All
I am type 2 and I have been on Newcastle diet for 5 days now. I take 1000 Metformin twice daily. I stopped taking Gliclazide when I started diet as I was worried about lows. I am sticking strictly to the diet using Slimfast with water. I gym three times weekly and walk lots. I have lost 2 kilos. Since starting diet my fasting B/G have been 12 ( morning) and during the day only as low as 9. Are these levels normal when starting diet? How long before I have normal readings? Any advise would be much appreciated.

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http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/hello-uk-newcastle-diet-from-texas-progress-thread.90455/
This shows over 60 days of results from some guy doing the newcastle diet. Notice that everyone is different, but it shows how things can develop when on the newcastle diet. Some people need longer than other to show improvements in the bloodsugars, so I urge you to keep the fantastic work!

There are two sides to this discussion and I believe both are correct.
Losing weight is going to be beneficial, to what degree isn't obvious and lowering carbs is obviously beneficial.
Also, if you're following a very low calories diet, that must surely reduce your carbs as well, emphasizing the low calorie bit seems to ignore the fact that it's also low carb. Indeed I believe low carb is also low calorie, by cutting my carbs back to about 80gms a day, there are some days when my calorie intake is as low as 900 cals. If I look at some of my old food diaries which actually breaks down what I eat into carb/cals/fat etc (up to 10 items), I can see that removing the bread and potatoes for one day removed 700 calories. If that sounds like a lot, please bare in mind that my BMR is 2000 calories without exercising and we are told that 1/3 of our calories should be carbs, so for the day I mentioned, you can see that low(er) carb (80gms, lots of veg) is also low(er) calorie (1300 cals). I haven't differentiated between low and lower because it's not relevant, you can call it what you like.
As for cures? If you can eat 300 gms of carb without affecting BG too dramatically then that sounds like a cure.