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Newly Diagnosed Type 2

BeBeautiful

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Hey everyone.

The past 6 months I have been feeling like rubbish - dizzy, fatigued, nauseous, actually being sick.

Doctor said it was a viral, then another viral and eventually took my bloods.
It came back with an underactive thyroid, reduced liver function and type two diabetes (I got a blood sugar score of 56)

They said my weight isn't enough of an issue to contribute to the type 2, they don't know the cause, they want to start me on metaformin.

The leaflets all talk about healthy diets and here's the thing - I don't (and haven't been able to stomach for sometime) eat unhealthily. I cannot tolerate carbs in any sort of significant doses. My main diet consists of meat, veg, fruit & some dairy. In the past 4-5 months I have been unable to stomach any significant amount of carbs due to it making me feel ill.

Today for breakfast I had an avocado, tomato and two boiled eggs, chopped up with paprika on top and a coffee (instant, with milk, no sugar)
For lunch I had a chicken salad, glass of diet coke.
I have just prick tested my finger two hours after lunch and it's 14???

Should I even be eating anything else today???

Feeling lost and confused.... can anyone help?
 
With an under active thyroid your metabolism hasn't got much chance really - you will probably be given a low dose of thyroid hormone replacement and then retested after a little while to see if you are responding to it and if you need more - too much straight away can cause heart palpitations - I was found to have a TSH level about 4000 the maximum normal and was treated as though I was explosive for a while.
Maybe if you tot up the number of carbs you are eating each day and record your after eating BG levels you will see an improvement as things get back to more normal conditions. Some veges and a lot of fruits contain quite a bit of carb, so it could add up over the course of a day, but with thyroid hormone replacement your response to it might improve with times.
 
Hi, and welcome to the forum.

An HbA1c of 56 isn't drastic at all, but it does need reducing, and Metformin won't do that on its own. Diet is the key.

You say you eat fruit - sorry to say that fruit is full of sugar. Also the fructose goes direct to the liver where it gets deposited as fat. The liver treats fructose as toxic, the same as it does with alcohol. If your liver function is reduced, this MAY be the reason. Fatty livers contribute greatly to Type 2 diabetes because they become resistant to insulin. It is all very complicated, so I won't go into detail. All I can advise is cut out the fruit apart from a few strawberries/raspberries, and eat these as part of a meal, not as a snack, with either full fat yogurt or cream.

I should add that avocado is an excellent choice, even though it is a fruit, as are fresh tomatoes.

Looking at what you ate today, I can't fault it. However, taking a random reading means very little. You need to test before you eat then again 2 hours after first bite, and keep any rise from before to after down under 2mmol/l. You also need to remember that it isn't just food that raises levels. Stress is a major factor, along with various medications .

Tagging @daisy1 who has very useful information for newcomers.
 

Thanks for your lengthy reply! I do eat fruit, but very small amounts other than tomatoes, avocados which are my favourites. Some days I will have a few blueberries on my yoghurt, or a couple of chopped strawberries but I prefer savoury food. I don't eat full fat yoghurt though, I have icelandic yoghurt, which is mostly protein - I am guessing this is okay?

So today before dinner 7pm - my blood was 12, two hours later I was 8.9 and 1 hour following that I was 9.9
Can anyone help with this? When my stomach is empty it appears to shoot up? Goes down two hours after food then starts to rise again?

None of this is making sense to me and I feel so worried about eating now, normally I would have some seeded bread and butter before bed but I am so worried about eating. My dinner was low carb as normal except some sauce on my chicken.
 
Hi and welcome to the forum. I can understand you being worried about eating, esp after your severe stomach upsets over a long period.

It's going to take quite a bit of reading, questioning and discussion before you are able to get your head around it all, as your case isn't quite as simple as just having diabetes. But I want to reassure you relief is in sight! With good medical care and self management you can feel better within days and weeks of making the right changes.

It's good that your doctor finally tested your blood for several things. He darn well should have done that on day one.

You may still need other tests of some kind, I don't know. If I were you I would find out when each abnormal test needs to be repeated, and make sure it happens on time. You can ask for printouts of results, which makes it easier for us to help you, because you can give us the exact results if you feel comfortable.

If symptom relief such as meds for nausea will help while you turn things around, you should ask for them. I'd almost be inclined to find out exactly which foods you can tolerate and focus on just them while you make these changes. Over the counter remedies might be enough, and your pharmacist can probably advise.

It's possible you might have gallbladder issues, or not... sometimes there are no symptoms like pain but there is nausea. Ultrasound is a good step for finding out, so maybe your doctor should get you on a waiting list for that.
 
@BeBeautiful

Hello and welcome to the Forum Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful and interesting. Ask questions when you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
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