Those look like somewhat green (ie unripe) bananas to me which (surprise, surprise) have less sugar content than ripe ones.
Story in full here without having to go to DM site!
Quote with [] annotations by me:
Dr Unwin says the low-carb approach to type 2 diabetes treatment is evidence based and was the main method used before effective drugs were invented.----
While agreeing it is true, diabetes control before drugs did rely on avoiding carbs, Prof Frost makes the point that: ‘Patients’ quality of life was horrendous. They suffered ill health, and died rapidly.’ [T1 perchance?] By far the biggest cause of death in diabetics, today, is heart disease, he adds: ‘To avoid heart disease, being a healthy weight and having a diet that’s lower in saturated fat is best, not low-carb but high fat.’ [poor nutritional knowledge]
Professor Partha Kar, NHS England’s chief diabetes expert, argues that the only scientifically proven way to get type 2 diabetes under control, with diet, is to shed excess pounds: ‘The evidence, as far as trials go, sits with low calorie diets,’ he said. [won't shed pounds since insulin is high. Low Carb improves IR and helps weight loss]
Dr Unwin’s patients undoubtedly lost weight. This will be, Prof Kar says, because they were consuming fewer calories than they burned – not specifically because they’d cut out carbs. And it’s because they lost weight that their type 2 diabetes went into remission. [nope]
‘Some low-carb evangelists say it’s all about sugar, but this isn’t backed up by science,’ he adds. [I think it's all about blood-sugar, not sugar!!!]
While people on low-carb diets can shift weight fast and reduce blood sugar, the benefits rarely last after 12 months [not if you go back to eating carbs, no! ]
So does sugar become a poison to type 2 diabetics? ‘That’s not supported by the evidence,’ answers Prof Kar. [WHAT!? Unless he was using "poison" in the technical sense!]
All the professors agree that low-carb diets show no long-term advantage over other weight-loss methods. [the studies they saw were prob not Low Carb but lower carb calorie restriction]
Such ignorance on display by the "experts" is unbelievable. It's like that meme "There's no good evidence to support Low Carb = I've never seen any good studies and I'm going to make sure I never do!"
As if Low Fat diets have a good track record! (2-year failure rate is >98%)
How silly of me: OBVIOUSLY the NHS is being effective at controlling rates of obesity and T2D with Low Fat!!!! Way to go!!! NHS will be bankrupt by T2D alone in 25 years if current rates continue. Suggest they sack Prof Kar and get someone who is being effective at getting the job done...
Bizarre! Utterly bizarre!
Agreed!Any "Diabetes Expert" that refers to "Diabetes" should immediately be ignored.
True, but where did he mention insulin? (puzzled).anyone knows weight loss can occur without insulin however much you eat which is why weight loss is a key symptom for many
he mention insulin
This will be, Prof Kar says, because they were consuming fewer calories than they burned
Now I understand - thank you! Me being slow!He didn't but that he seems unaware that quite a lot of pre diagnosis T1's lose weight however much they eat might be an indicator that calorie consumption is not necessarily relevant to weight loss.. or at least you might hope that a T1 "expert" would know that.
Is not necessarily true
Valid observation, I think. Also, I gather Professor Partha Kar, NHS England’s "chief diabetes expert" whoIt makes the whole thing suspiciously look like a VERY orchestrated piece of food industry and nation's agriculture/horticulture supported propaganda - from the outside you understand. At least from all those ghastly professor's who were interviewed (poor British diabetics to have the likes of those advocating for you!)
The Unwin infographics are spoons of sugar, but point taken!It’s also majorly ironic that diabetes.org that object to the infographics with sugar cubes use teaspoons of sugar in their carbs and calories endorsed book and other supported literature!!
Oops wrong way round. Have amended my post. Ta.The Unwin infographics are spoons of sugar, but point taken!
This is because the DUK references to physical sugar attacks snack foods, so does not make the unconscious connection between carbs and sugar in normal foods like whole grains and potatoes. Everybody knows that fizzy drinks etc have added sugar, coz the UK gov said so when they announced the sugar tax. It is the possible minefield of having to add the tax to beloved starchy carby foods as well that frightened them. When you know that Tesco is one of the DUK corporate sponsorst, and that the Vegan Soc is also tied in with Tesco with the launch of that shop's venture into vegan snax, then it makes sense. I would say it is the golden goose / holy cow that makes them money, but then that would not be appropriate considering......But its a money spinner for sure especially with the Quorn tie in too.It’s also majorly ironic that diabetes.org that object to the infographics with teaspoons of sugar use cubes of sugar in their carbs and calories endorsed book and other supported literature!!
https://www.carbsandcals.com/books/carb-calorie-counter
https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-t...ydrates-and-diabetes/how-to-cut-down-on-sugar
Which could explain the DUK's half-hearted Low Carb stance. Vested interests strike again?DUK signed an agreement with the Vegan Soc to actively promote a vegan diet
Are you sure about that and not confusing it with the BDA The association of UK dieticians? They have a memorandum of understanding with the Vegan Society although how they managed that is beyond me.and that DUK signed an agreement with the Vegan Soc to actively promote a vegan diet
Actually a double confusion. It was the ADA but not the Diabetes,org. but the American Dietetics Association. They have a 'position statement on their website home page to this effect, As you say, also the BDA have a similar agreement. DUK merely provides guidelines on their website and has a recipe section. I will amend my postAre you sure about that and not confusing it with the BDA The association of UK dieticians? They have a memorandum of understanding with the Vegan Society although how they managed that is beyond me.
Correction - DUK merely promotes vegan and vegetarian diets as a suitable viable diet treatment, and provides supporting literature for it. It has no formal agreement that I can find.Which could explain the DUK's half-hearted Low Carb stance. Vested interests strike again?
It looks like Prof Kar's comments received quite a reaction.Story in full here without having to go to DM site!
Quote with [] annotations by me:
<snip>----
Professor Partha Kar, NHS England’s chief diabetes expert, argues that the only scientifically proven way to get type 2 diabetes under control, with diet, is to shed excess pounds: ‘The evidence, as far as trials go, sits with low calorie diets,’ he said. [won't shed pounds since insulin is high. Low Carb improves IR and helps weight loss]
Dr Unwin’s patients undoubtedly lost weight. This will be, Prof Kar says, because they were consuming fewer calories than they burned – not specifically because they’d cut out carbs. And it’s because they lost weight that their type 2 diabetes went into remission. [nope]
‘Some low-carb evangelists say it’s all about sugar, but this isn’t backed up by science,’ he adds. [I think it's all about blood-sugar, not sugar!!!]
While people on low-carb diets can shift weight fast and reduce blood sugar, the benefits rarely last after 12 months [not if you go back to eating carbs, no! ]
So does sugar become a poison to type 2 diabetics? ‘That’s not supported by the evidence,’ answers Prof Kar. [WHAT!? Unless he was using "poison" in the technical sense!]
All the professors agree that low-carb diets show no long-term advantage over other weight-loss methods. [the studies they saw were prob not Low Carb but lower carb calorie restriction]
<snip>
Murmurings in the media today announce the forthcoming government initiative to reduce obesity and fight T2D. Boris is about to announce (apparently) the Better Health Campaign which is a 12 week govt sponsored diet plan based apparently on Low Calorie, Low Fat CICO principles. A new lease of life for Eatwell (#3?) being whole grain and starchy food based with lots of fruit and of healthy veg products, and greatly reduced meat and dairy.It looks like Prof Kar's comments received quite a reaction.
I don't condone any abuse he received, but patients being blamed by healthcare professionals when calorie-restriction doesn't work for them, is possibly the start of them having strong feelings about dietary matters. As he correctly says,
From my own reading of the subject, in my view, one diet isn't the answer to anything
I just wish those advising calorie-restriction demonstrated that mindset.
When those patients who have been blamed for the failure of calorie-restriction discover the statistics for how poor the chances of success are for those with obesity or IR, and especially long-term success, feelings become more intense and particularly when they then encounter healthcare professionals who are closed-minded, dismissive and illogical about credible Low Carb evidence.
I haven't been able to verify this, but on that page Prof Kar suggests he was responsible ("in spite of all opposition") for the Low Carb Programme app appearing on the NHS approval list.
PS Please keep any replies civil!
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?