Oatmeal and milk blood sugar spike

I would spike through the roof. Far too many carbs in oatmeal, and we also have to be careful with milk because it contains a lot of natural sugar. Dried fruits need to be avoided. Doctors need educating about what raises blood sugars!

Bluetit1802 said:

I would spike through the roof. Far too many carbs in oatmeal, and we also have to be careful with milk because it contains a lot of natural sugar. Dried fruits need to be avoided. Doctors need educating about what raises blood sugars!

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I used to really like a big stodgy bowl of porridge oats and I had this unsweetened with only water added. Before I started my more severe diet I reduced the quantity of oats and bought the version with added wheat and oat bran. Oatmeal is a moderate GI food so on paper it should be OK as part of a controlled diet. There is 27g of carbs in a 50g (dry) serving of the oats with oatbran and wheat bran that I have in the cupboard. That serving also has 6g of fibre and 6g of protein. If you made that as a 35g serving the carb load would only be 19g. I think it's all down to quantities and your own personal carb limits. I hope I can go back to enjoying a (small) portion of oats for breakfast in the future!

Everyone is different and oats cause problems for some and not for others. However, dried fruit is probably a massive no-no - the sugar levels in dried fruit are insanely high

I seem to be fine with Oatmeal and full cream milk - waking BG was 5.6: I had a bowl of porridge made with full cream milk this morning and 2 hours later it was 5.4 and the same after 3 hours. Can't eat potatoes though as they seem to shoot my BS levels up - a bit of brown rice isn't too bad but I've been using the Bare Naked "rice" recently since I read about it in another thread and that's much better for my BS levels

As I said, everyone is different

Hi tibi, have a read of the thread linked in my signature below.

Basically steer clear of things made with sugar, flour, potatoes and rice and be wary of fruits too. I frequently check the carb content of all kinds of food by googling the web. Things that are very good to have include nuts, non-starchy veggies, salads, berries, cheese, meat, good quality oils like extra virgin olive oil for salads and cooking, fish of all types, etc. Mushrooms are good and I like humous, paté, and so on. Small quantities of high cocoa solids (at least 50%) dark chocoloate are said to be good as well. Also eat small meals more frequently to spread the load out.

OK - I was asked about what my version of the Newcastle diet entailed. Basically I carb and calorie counted everything and put it in a spreadsheet. My choices will not be for everyone but this would be a typical day: 30g of nuts for breakfast (walnuts, almonds and Brazil nuts usually - better nutritionally than, say, macadamia or peanuts) - 200 calories, for lunch either sum ham or tinned tuna with a boiled egg and some raw broccolli and celery with a dash of olive oil - that's another 200 calories. In the evening I cook for the family and just have portion of what I have cooked calorie counted to around 300 or maybe 400 calories if I feel I deserve it. It's not as hard as it sounds as much of the calories in an evening meal is in the starchy things you shouldn't be eating anyway. I have stopped eating fruit for the time being but do take a multi-vitamin and a double-strength cod liver oil supplement daily. Inbetween meals I drink a fair bit, including black tea, Japanese green tea, fruit tea, Bovril (both beef and chicken versions) and I have black coffee for breakfast and maybe after lunch.

Alternatively for breakfast, one egg and one sausage (roughly 200 calories), for lunch some cold cuts, humous, and I have also successfully replicated a cauliflower base pizza I found on YouTube - it's around 1000 calories for a whole pizza but a quarter is OK for a meal and it's almost no carbs. The possibilities are endless when you're motivated enough

tibi said:

Hi guys.

As you all know the doctor recommends to eat oatmeal with milk for breakfast, actually my doctor said to add some dried fruits so I did that and boom my blood sugar was 189 mg/dl after two hours. I don't understand how a doctor can prescribe something like this to a diabetic is crazy, what's the deal with this diets, they want to kill as faster? Also how much do you spike after such a meal?

Happy holidays and a lot of health!

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I'm not sure about the 'as you know' bit
My doctor is different.
I would suggest you change your doctor.
Any doctor that recommends one single breakfast meal for life is an idiot.

edit - not sure about the 'eat a lot' either
even on LCHF, you'll find a lot of members on here still exercise portion control as part of the regime.

NoCrbs4Me said:

Ya, my diabetic specialist nurse suggested oatmeal was more healthy for me than bacon and eggs. I tried not to laugh in her face. The problem is that they are trained to give advice like that.

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Your problem is it worked for me.
And they saw it did.

douglas99 said:

Your problem is it worked for me.
And they saw it did.

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Douglas, I think you are unique

Bluetit1802 said:

Douglas, I think you are unique

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I don't.
I think there is a high percentage of LCHF diets on this particular website.
It's not a bad diet, as it obviously works.
But so does my diet, and I may be more in the 'mainstream' diet, that fits in the NHS view.

I've always said I was encouraged to follow the initial NHS advice.
Which compared to my initial confession to them over my normal diet, was an improvement way beyond the 'light at the end of the tunnel'

We're all dedicated on here, I certainly won't be bashful, it was slog many wouldn't do, and the NHS see the rest, in the majority every day.

So they do have to cut the cloth to fit the person, and it can't be easy for them to get it right every time.

My dietician suggested some carbs I should eat. I said no, the're high GI, they spike me.
She agreed, we replaced them with ones I agreed to eat.

But I didn't rubbish her, we just found a solution we both could agree on.

OK then. You are lucky.

douglas99 said:

Your problem is it worked for me.
And they saw it did.

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Please don't speak for me. You have no idea what my problems are.

NoCrbs4Me said:

Please don't speak for me. You have no idea what my problems are.

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A dislike of HCP's?
Whom I have received exemplary service from, and we have both shown mutual respect to, and would never dream to laugh in her face, and would never have a problem with her training.
But you are right, that's just me, not you.

douglas99 said:

A dislike of HCP's?
Whom I have received exemplary service from, and we have both shown mutual respect to, and would never dream to laugh in her face, and would never have a problem with her training.
But you are right, that's just me, not you.

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I'm not sure what you're on about. I love my HCPs - they are so quaint with their drugs and high carb low fat diet recommendations. Don't take my posts that aren't addressed to you so personally - it's not good for the blood pressure. And don't worry about my nurse - she can take care of herself. We have very interesting discussions. Eventually we will come to an understanding. She's told me that my diabetes will get worse and worse. We've agreed to disagree on that point.

tibi said:

@sanguine

Yes I did. Currently I am trying to learn how to eat correctly LCHF, we will see how it go. Currently I am still dizzy and light headed bit my blood sugar is in normal range.

Thank you.

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Fry up for brekkie
Snacks: cheese and nuts
Lunch: salad, olives, cheese, cold meat, fish, left overs
Dinner check out thread Scandis recipes.
Avoid cereal, oatmeal, bread and any other starchy carbs!
Good luck!

I personally feel that you can have a very low carb diet that is healthy despite consuming a lot more fat (and protein) than you're used to. I'd advise on increasing one's intake of 'good' fats like those in nuts, oily fish and olive oil but an increase in animal fats and saturated vegetable fats does look acceptable with modern thinking. I think it is also essential to consume a lot of non-starchy veg and salad plus selected fruits. But for me the goal is to be able to get back to eating a moderate amount of carbs once the 'correction' phase is completed. I don't want to go back to the portion sizes and balance of carbs I was used to but I do want to be able to have a slice of bread or a modest portion of rice or some chips without worrying about it. But the portions will be smaller and more infrequent.