The criteria for diagnosis are the product of a World Health Organisation committee. I don't feel that there is any benefit for either the organisation or the individual members in falsely raising the criteria.I believe that diabetes is over-diagnosed by GPs. In order to tell whether Type 2 really exists there needs to be far more work done, but this would meet with a lot of resistance from the cartels. Yes, there is pre-diabetes (it is called rude health) and yes there is Type 2 (it is called over indulgence and/or poor diet); but proving conclusively that these are actual medical conditions and not statistical aberrations can only come from popular proof by numbers.
Landshark said:Yes, there is pre-diabetes (it is called rude health) and yes there is Type 2 (it is called over indulgence and/or poor diet); but proving conclusively that these are actual medical conditions and not statistical aberrations can only come from popular proof by numbers. Are you up for it?
Landshark said:I believe that diabetes is over-diagnosed by GPs. In order to tell whether Type 2 really exists there needs to be far more work done, but this would meet with a lot of resistance from the cartels. Yes, there is pre-diabetes (it is called rude health) and yes there is Type 2 (it is called over indulgence and/or poor diet); but proving conclusively that these are actual medical conditions and not statistical aberrations can only come from popular proof by numbers. Are you up for it?
borofergie said:Landshark said:I believe that diabetes is over-diagnosed by GPs. In order to tell whether Type 2 really exists there needs to be far more work done, but this would meet with a lot of resistance from the cartels. Yes, there is pre-diabetes (it is called rude health) and yes there is Type 2 (it is called over indulgence and/or poor diet); but proving conclusively that these are actual medical conditions and not statistical aberrations can only come from popular proof by numbers. Are you up for it?
Yes you could arbitrarily change the criteria and instantly reduce the number of diagnosed T2 Diabetics. What would be the point of that? How many other "statistical aberrations" can you think of that are confused with "epidemics"?
According to your profile you aren't a diabetic Landshark, what are you hoping to achieve by coming to a forum populated by T2 diabetics and labeling their disease "over indulgence and/or poor diet". If your aim is not to provoke, and you seriously think that that all T2 diabetics are "fat and lazy" then your understanding of the condition is very poor indeed.
conspiracy theory at work?@phoenix - I'm afraid I am far more sceptical having been on committees in the past. The issue is not what is worldwide, but what passes for general health care in the UK. When you are told that the criteria for diagnosing diabetes in a patient is if the fasting bg is above 6.1 mmol, and the WHO has another number or a consultant uses 5.9 mmol it has to be asked why this is the case?
HbA1c ≥48 mmol/mol can be used to diagnose diabetes in most situations. In
patients without diabetes symptoms repeat venous HbA1c in the same lab within 2
weeks. If the second sample is <48 mmol/mol (6.5%) treat as high risk of diabetes
and repeat the test in 6 months or sooner if diabetes symptoms develop. In
symptomatic adults with relatively slow onset of symptoms a single result ≥48
mmol/mol will suffice
Landshark said:@borofergie - I was diagnosed as Type 2 in January this year, but since then have been part of a study as to why my HbA1c data said I was diabetic yet my fasting glucose has never exceeded 5.9 mmol since.
Landshark said:Finally - anyone stating that I am saying that all T2s are "fat and lazy" are simply wrong. I have never stated or inferred that.
Landshark said:there is Type 2 (it is called over indulgence and/or poor diet)
Landshark said:- I was diagnosed as Type 2 in January this year, but since then have been part of a study as to why my HbA1c data said I was diabetic yet my fasting glucose has never exceeded 5.9 mmol since.
Grazer said:Landshark said:Or are we all mis-diagnosed?
Defren said:Grazer said:Landshark said:Or are we all mis-diagnosed?
I think we would all love that, but surely our Doctors can't be wrong - all of them! Since landshark seems an absolute authority on this, I shall go and have a fish and chips for dinner, followed by a curry with a huge mound of rice for supper, with a load of bread as snacks in between, seeing as we all over indulge and are all misdiagnosed!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I'll bring the Doorstep white bread jam sandwiches and the Kendal mint cake!! We're all cured i tell you!! :lol:Defren said:Grazer said:Landshark said:Or are we all mis-diagnosed?
I think we would all love that, but surely our Doctors can't be wrong - all of them! Since landshark seems an absolute authority on this, I shall go and have a fish and chips for dinner, followed by a curry with a huge mound of rice for supper, with a load of bread as snacks in between, seeing as we all over indulge and are all misdiagnosed!
landshark said:I believe that diabetes is over-diagnosed by GPs. In order to tell whether Type 2 really exists there needs to be far more work done, but this would meet with a lot of resistance from the cartels. Yes, there is pre-diabetes (it is called rude health) and yes there is Type 2 (it is called over indulgence and/or poor diet); but proving conclusively that these are actual medical conditions and not statistical aberrations can only come from popular proof by numbers. Are you up for it?
Grazer said:Defren said:Grazer said:I think we would all love that, but surely our Doctors can't be wrong - all of them! Since landshark seems an absolute authority on this, I shall go and have a fish and chips for dinner, followed by a curry with a huge mound of rice for supper, with a load of bread as snacks in between, seeing as we all over indulge and are all misdiagnosed!
Can I join you with my packet of chocolate hob nobs and peppermint Aero?
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