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<blockquote data-quote="ziggy_w" data-source="post: 2458836" data-attributes="member: 323454"><p>Hi [USER=532959]@Beating-My-Betes[/USER],</p><p></p><p>I wish you well on your journey. Personally, I will be very happy for you if you succeed.</p><p></p><p>The more ways there are to get blood sugars back into the normal range, the better for us. It means just more arrows in the quiver. I also believe that the more potential ways to fight diabetes, the more likely many people will find a way that works for them. </p><p></p><p>This having been said, you seem to believe that the evidence supporting low-carb and very low-carb diets (aka keto) and corresponding higher fat intake are primarily based on bogus evidence. The opposite is the case, at least imho. Sarah Hallberg has compiled a list of low-carb diet studies in 2018 with 77 such studies to date. There are many low-carb studies that have followed since. On this basis of this evidence, the ADA (American Diabetes Assciation has issued the following consensus statement concerning low-carb diets:</p><p></p><p>"Reducing overall carbohydrate intake for individuals with diabetes has demonstrated the most evidence for improving glycemia and may be applied in a variety of eating patterns that meet individual needs and requirements."</p><p>(<a href="https://www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2019/apr/landmark-us-consensus-recommends-low-carb-diet-in-diabetes-management-91667065.html" target="_blank">https://www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2019/apr/landmark-us-consensus-recommends-low-carb-diet-in-diabetes-management-91667065.html</a>). Many national diabetes associations have since followed suit (a few examples are Australia, Canada, Europe, Czech Republic).</p><p></p><p>Btw, these are the results of the Virta Health study regarding indicators of risk factors including cardiovascular (blood pressure, 10-years ASCVD), markers of inflamation (CRP, WBC) , blood lipids (LDL, HDL, Trigs) and liver health (AST, ALT). The vast majority of these indicators seem to have changed in the desired direction. (<a href="https://www.virtahealth.com/data#cardiovascular" target="_blank">https://www.virtahealth.com/data#cardiovascular</a>). Although this is not a randomized trial (and Hallberg convincingly argues that randomization doesn't make sense in a long-term nutritional study), there are several scientific articles that have been based on this trial (links are also on the page cited).</p><p></p><p>There also a number of trials on very-low calorie diets for the remission of T2 diabetes and therefore a strong base of evidence.</p><p></p><p>Just a note -- Taubes is a "he" and he is far from being just a plain journalist. He has received a Bachelor's degree in science from Harvard and Master's degree in science from Stanford. He then went on the get a Master's degree in Journalism from Columbia. His main issue is with bad science -- unfortunately he has identified nutritional epidemiology as one of the fields where bad science runs rampant. He has recently published an academic article in a scientific journal with many well-known scientists (including Walter Willett, who is a well-known proponent of plant-based diets). I would be careful to entirely discount was he has to say.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ziggy_w, post: 2458836, member: 323454"] Hi [USER=532959]@Beating-My-Betes[/USER], I wish you well on your journey. Personally, I will be very happy for you if you succeed. The more ways there are to get blood sugars back into the normal range, the better for us. It means just more arrows in the quiver. I also believe that the more potential ways to fight diabetes, the more likely many people will find a way that works for them. This having been said, you seem to believe that the evidence supporting low-carb and very low-carb diets (aka keto) and corresponding higher fat intake are primarily based on bogus evidence. The opposite is the case, at least imho. Sarah Hallberg has compiled a list of low-carb diet studies in 2018 with 77 such studies to date. There are many low-carb studies that have followed since. On this basis of this evidence, the ADA (American Diabetes Assciation has issued the following consensus statement concerning low-carb diets: "Reducing overall carbohydrate intake for individuals with diabetes has demonstrated the most evidence for improving glycemia and may be applied in a variety of eating patterns that meet individual needs and requirements." ([URL]https://www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2019/apr/landmark-us-consensus-recommends-low-carb-diet-in-diabetes-management-91667065.html[/URL]). Many national diabetes associations have since followed suit (a few examples are Australia, Canada, Europe, Czech Republic). Btw, these are the results of the Virta Health study regarding indicators of risk factors including cardiovascular (blood pressure, 10-years ASCVD), markers of inflamation (CRP, WBC) , blood lipids (LDL, HDL, Trigs) and liver health (AST, ALT). The vast majority of these indicators seem to have changed in the desired direction. ([URL]https://www.virtahealth.com/data#cardiovascular[/URL]). Although this is not a randomized trial (and Hallberg convincingly argues that randomization doesn't make sense in a long-term nutritional study), there are several scientific articles that have been based on this trial (links are also on the page cited). There also a number of trials on very-low calorie diets for the remission of T2 diabetes and therefore a strong base of evidence. Just a note -- Taubes is a "he" and he is far from being just a plain journalist. He has received a Bachelor's degree in science from Harvard and Master's degree in science from Stanford. He then went on the get a Master's degree in Journalism from Columbia. His main issue is with bad science -- unfortunately he has identified nutritional epidemiology as one of the fields where bad science runs rampant. He has recently published an academic article in a scientific journal with many well-known scientists (including Walter Willett, who is a well-known proponent of plant-based diets). I would be careful to entirely discount was he has to say. [/QUOTE]
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