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<blockquote data-quote="Beating-My-Betes" data-source="post: 2458853" data-attributes="member: 532959"><p>Let's see. For starters:</p><p></p><p>That the low-fat recommendations made everybody fat and diabetic.</p><p>That everyone followed the government recommendations.</p><p>That the low-fat recommendations were actually low-fat at all.</p><p>That either carbs or fat make people fat and/or diabetic.</p><p>That cutting carbs is necessary to put T2D into remission</p><p>That high-carb diets will lead to insulin-resistance</p><p>That Ancel Keys was a bad scientist</p><p>That seed-oils made everyone fat...and diabetic</p><p>That keto is any more effective than low-fat for weight-loss, individual preferences notwithstanding</p><p>That CIM is correct</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I've been trying to say to separate the dogma from the results. Of course, the results are more important. The problem is that people think that because the results they get are in line with those posited, that those ideas must be correct. The prime example is that most people in the low-carb movement believe going into LC that carbs are to blame for all their issues. They then lose weight (or not) and reverse many ailments, and it confirms their beliefs. The problems arise when faced with many examples of others doing the diametric-opposite, and getting the same results.</p><p></p><p>That people have accomplished those very same things, doing the opposite of what you did should do nothing to negate your own experience or success. But that's the point when at least one should perhaps start questioning their previously-held ideas around carbs.</p><p></p><p>I'm a paid-up, card-carrying globe-ist. But if I ever see someone fall off the edge of the earth, I'll start to listen to flat-earthers <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Accepted measurements? Which ones?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So how are countless high-carbers able to lose weight, and more than a very-large handful putting T2D into remission?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Perhaps you could supply me with some robust science, that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that high-HDL is good.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You think you know the ramifications of low-fat dogma, but appear just as many others to have dropped that dogma and fallen straight into another. The story that you've 'bought' into doesn't hold up to even the slightest honest inquiry</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because what i am particularly looking to deconstruct needs very little scientific understanding. Also, when I say i'm scientifically illiterate, I mean I don't really know my way around statistics, forest-plots etc. I'm inclined to believe that many here don't, either, yet are happy to talk with certitude on scientific matters.</p><p></p><p>Due to my lack-of-understanding, I look to those who i feel I can trust to interpret the data without bias or prejudice. Some happen to be vegan, and others not (My standards for sources means looking for people who seek the truth, above all else, and not necessarily those who are on my dietary 'team)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Beating-My-Betes, post: 2458853, member: 532959"] Let's see. For starters: That the low-fat recommendations made everybody fat and diabetic. That everyone followed the government recommendations. That the low-fat recommendations were actually low-fat at all. That either carbs or fat make people fat and/or diabetic. That cutting carbs is necessary to put T2D into remission That high-carb diets will lead to insulin-resistance That Ancel Keys was a bad scientist That seed-oils made everyone fat...and diabetic That keto is any more effective than low-fat for weight-loss, individual preferences notwithstanding That CIM is correct I've been trying to say to separate the dogma from the results. Of course, the results are more important. The problem is that people think that because the results they get are in line with those posited, that those ideas must be correct. The prime example is that most people in the low-carb movement believe going into LC that carbs are to blame for all their issues. They then lose weight (or not) and reverse many ailments, and it confirms their beliefs. The problems arise when faced with many examples of others doing the diametric-opposite, and getting the same results. That people have accomplished those very same things, doing the opposite of what you did should do nothing to negate your own experience or success. But that's the point when at least one should perhaps start questioning their previously-held ideas around carbs. I'm a paid-up, card-carrying globe-ist. But if I ever see someone fall off the edge of the earth, I'll start to listen to flat-earthers ;) Accepted measurements? Which ones? So how are countless high-carbers able to lose weight, and more than a very-large handful putting T2D into remission? Perhaps you could supply me with some robust science, that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that high-HDL is good. You think you know the ramifications of low-fat dogma, but appear just as many others to have dropped that dogma and fallen straight into another. The story that you've 'bought' into doesn't hold up to even the slightest honest inquiry Because what i am particularly looking to deconstruct needs very little scientific understanding. Also, when I say i'm scientifically illiterate, I mean I don't really know my way around statistics, forest-plots etc. I'm inclined to believe that many here don't, either, yet are happy to talk with certitude on scientific matters. Due to my lack-of-understanding, I look to those who i feel I can trust to interpret the data without bias or prejudice. Some happen to be vegan, and others not (My standards for sources means looking for people who seek the truth, above all else, and not necessarily those who are on my dietary 'team) [/QUOTE]
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