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<br />Hi Redathena,

Barleans flax oil) are available over there but not here.
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But you can get linseed oil here (which is flax oil I'm pretty sure) - you normally use it for oiling cricket bats!

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<br /> I haven't done teh DAFNE course, so I may have unrealistically high expectations of this too...but it does sounds more useful than 10 minutes on diet alone. It seems that teh dieticians talk about food, and don't talk about insulin, and the Drs talk about insulin, and don't mention food!
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Most people find the DAFNE course helpful.

As per your second observation, I guess that's what generally does happen - doctors need to educate themselves more.

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But you can get linseed oil here (which is flax oil I'm pretty sure) - you normally use it for oiling cricket bats!

TW
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And see separate thread which has much fuller info.

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-forum/viewtopic.php?t=1063

Tolerance of any of these oils can be a problem, but is usually sortable.

TW
 

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<br />Hi,

Firstly, I'm in a bit a limbo, as I haven't "officially" been diagnosed yet. Since Christmas I have had a number of symptoms and had various tests, including 3 blood tests 2 standard and a fasting blood test, but my doctor has advised me that she is almost positive that I am type II diabetic. I am due to have another fasting blood test this week.

If there is anyone who can tell me what a positive type II test would be I'd be grateful.

In my search for information, which has been extensive I have come across a "cure" for type II. Desperate for hope, before I ask my doctor about the diet and I was wondering if anyone has seen this link, tried this diet and if anyone has had any success. It seems similar to the flaxseed oil post. I'd greatly appreciate the feedback.

http://www.cancertutor.com/Diabetes/Dia ... ype_II.htm

You'll notice that it is very specific about the oil and names Barlean's oil, again has anyone tried this.

I'd really appreciate any advice that anyone could offer.

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Hi Redathena

First, on the tests.

"If there is anyone who can tell me what a positive type II test would be I'd be grateful."

The doctor has probably performed a "fasting blood glucose test". Non-diabetics will expect results somewhere between 4 and 5.5 mmol/l. If the result is over 6, and that is repeated at a second test, then the doctor would suspect pre-diabetes. If it is repeated over 7 that is sufficient in most countries to be diagnosed as diabetes and other tests or symptoms would help the doctor diagnose the specific type.

In some countries confirmation includes an oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) which involves several tests of your blood over a two-hour period after you drink a set amount of glucose. Type 2 diabetes is indicated if you exceed 11.1 mmol/l in that test. There is argument over whether that is only at the end of the two hours or at any time during it.

Another test is HbA1c, which is an indicator of blood glucose levels over the past few weeks. Some mistakenly call it an average; it is not, but it is a good indicator of past levels. If your HbA1c is over 6% that is an indicator that you may have diabetes - but it is not used for diagnosis because there may be other causes. One difficulty is that it is possible to have a good HbA1c and still have diabetes with poor post-eating blood glucose levels.

Personally, I would suggest that anyone with an HbA1c over 7% has diabetes, but I'm not a doctor, just a diabetic.

There are other indicators to assist the doctor. The most common one is lipids (cholesterols). If your triglycerides are high and your HDL is low, then any alert doctor should be looking for possible diabetes apart from other reasons for dyslipidemia; my reading indicates that too many tend to throw statins at the patient and tell them not to eat fried foods - and miss that sign.

On "cures" please read this web-site about a wonderful cure called Glucobate: http://wemarket4u.net/glucobate/index.html. If you are rushing off to find out where to buy that, here it is:
http://wemarket4u.net/glucobate/story.htm

Finally, on diet and other things you can do now, I wrote this to help new people get started: http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/d-day.html

I stress that I am a diabetic, not a doctor nor a dietician. I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience.


Alan, T2, Australia

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Alan, many thanks for the Glucobate links. I have added them to our library of useful information for diabetics.
 

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All,

Thanks for your information, I received my results this morning from the second fasting blood test they were:

Hba1c 41.
Fasting 7.4
Chol 4.1

My GP has confirmed her diagnosis of type II diabetic. I intend to make changes to my lifestyle and but I just wondered if anyone has been undiagnosed of type II or is it a case of one you are diagnosed that's it.

I'm still in shock, as I feel that I have done something wrong to be in this position, so I am still trying to come to terms with this diagnosis and what it means for life going forward...
 

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All,

Thanks for your information, I received my results this morning from the second fasting blood test they were:

Hba1c 41.
Fasting 7.4
Chol 4.1

My GP has confirmed her diagnosis of type II diabetic. I intend to make changes to my lifestyle and but I just wondered if anyone has been undiagnosed of type II or is it a case of one you are diagnosed that's it.

I'm still in shock, as I feel that I have done something wrong to be in this position, so I am still trying to come to terms with this diagnosis and what it means for life going forward...
 

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Apologies for the duplication, the page just seemed to hang.

Please excuse my typo in the HBa1C, it should read 5.3.
 

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Hi Redathena

I am afraid its presently a case of once a diabetic, always a diabetic. But who knows what medical breakthroughs there may be in future years. It is possible to control blood glucose levels so well that medication becomes no longer necessary. You won't have cured it, but you will have controlled it. A good example of this is one of our regular posters Karen (a.k.a. ChocFish).

Your test results are interesting. An HBA1C of 5.3 equates to 5.5mmol/l, which is well in the normal (non-diabetic) range. But your fasting result seems out of step with the HBA1C. Did you really have absolutely nothing to eat of drink (other than tap water) for all of the 12 hours before the test? You didn't by any chance have a cup of tea before going for the test did you?
 

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Dennis,

Once again many thanks for your wisdom and insight. You pose a very valid point about the fasting. I was unsure for how long I should fast and so I contacted the GP surgery and I was told just fast from midnight the night before, so I did this for both tests. It wasn't that I ate food right up until midnight, but I think that I had my final cup of tea at around 10.30pm. Both my blood tests were at around 8.40am in the morning, so I had only fasted for around 10 hours. Yo mention the 12 hour fasting period, would this additional 2 hours have made the differences between diagnosis and non-diagnosis for type II?

The other thin is that for the first fasting blood test the results came back as 7.8 and the GP said that this was ok, as sometimes they can be slightly over. Then this GP went on holiday and I attended a different GP who advised that she wasn't happy with this test result, hence the second fasting blood test this week.

The other point to mention is that I also provided a urine sample which came back normal, but which has now gone to the lab for protein tests.

I definitely didn't have anything to eat or drink on the morning of the tests apart from water.

Do you think that I should have the tests repeated and fast for the full 12 hours?

I'd appreciate your advice.