Portion Control.

If you don't have a really good lunch, you can't have jelly for breakfast, you'll finish up sick. and to have a lunch you can eat will include a batch of carbs. you may need to go back on insulin. remember 50% of all T2 will be on insulin within 10 years of diagnosis
you need to work it with your dietitian, to have a diet you can eat with the minimum carbs and then adjust your meds to suit

your signature has Lyxumia 10 and metformin 1500, see Dr, you can increase your met sr to 2000 or 2500 if standard met

get your Dr to check, the sr is max 2000, google it
jelly won't be a problem if you have a decent lunch, it's just there is nothing in jelly and it's like people who don't eat breakfast

Sarah you will probably find the dietician a lot less helpful on low carb options than the people on this forum. You might get lucky but most likely the dietician will propose a relatively high carb diet for you. This will require you to go back on insulin to have any chance of decent blood sugar control. However, if you can't make the change to low carb, then for the sake of your health, you do need to go back on insulin. I'm sorry but there really aren't any other alternatives.

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Sarah69 said:

Sorry haven't updated my signature in a while I'm on 20 Lyxumia and 2500 sr metformin. I was on insulin but because of weight gain I was tried 1st on Byetta then Lyxumia. I don't understand why jelly would be a problem?

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Not being British jelly isn't part of my diet but I doubt it makes a good breakfast. Does it contain protein? Fat? As I remember the few times I have had jelly it contains nothing nutritious at all, possibly apart from sugar and we don't want to eat sugar, do we?

You need to eat food like cheese, eggs in any form, bacon or yoghurt for breakfast. This is food, while I find it hard to look on jelly as food. But that is me.

spiker you says she can't eat the low

Totto said:

Not being British jelly isn't part of my diet but I doubt it makes a good breakfast. Does it contain protein? Fat? As I remember the few times I have had jelly it contains nothing nutritious at all, possibly apart from sugar and we don't want to eat sugar, do we?

You need to eat food like cheese, eggs in any form, bacon or yoghurt for breakfast. This is food, while I find it hard to look on jelly as food. But that is me.

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of the UK's 5 major food groups, I think jelly is #1 with chip butties being #2 food group

jack412 said:

spiker you says she can't eat the low

of the UK's 5 major food groups, I think jelly is #1 with chip butties being #2 food group

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No wonder the diabetes rate is so high in the UK!

Totto said:

Not being British jelly isn't part of my diet but I doubt it makes a good breakfast. Does it contain protein? Fat? As I remember the few times I have had jelly it contains nothing nutritious at all, possibly apart from sugar and we don't want to eat sugar, do we?

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I think Sarah is talking about sugar free jelly, a gelatin dessert with artificial sweeteners, that is used by low-carbers as a snack or meal substitute. The problem with relying on it as a meal replacement it is precisely that it has no nutrition in it.

Sarah69 said:

I'm on the maximum of metformin and I don't really want to go back on insulin. I'm really hoping she can be of some help. I've looked through the recipes on the low carb thread and none of them really appeal. I think I could eat jelly for breakfast that will be a 1st step and see how I get on with that. This process is going to be slow. I know that for a definite I will not be able to a meal when I've come home from work (7.30/8pm), I've eaten late before and it just lays in my stomach all night, I can't sleep and usually end up being sick.

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Sarah - in your post above, you state the process will be slow. Perhaps being harsh again, but it has to be said, you started this thread on 20th of February, so it's already over two months old. What changes have you actually made, and sustained since February?

There are a lot of people here who would like to help you, and would be more available to you than your NHS Dietician, but you need to embrace the change sensibly. Eating jelly as a meal is no more of a long term, credible step than eating an apple for dinner. If you would write a list of foods you like (being mindful of focusing on the lower carb ones), and anything you cannot eat (that is, you are allergic to or makes you heave to consider at any time of the day or night), then maybe we can make some suggestions, based on your light meal requirement at night.

This is in your hands. Not those of your dietician. Not those of your doctor. And not those of we collected forumites who do actually understand the difficult choices you are faced with.

There is no fast, easy, no effort way forward with diabetes, unless you are wiling to accept deterioration and probable complications. Frankly, your choice is whether you make changes whilst you still have a chance to.

I know I am sounding harsh, but we can't walk your walk for you.

i wouldn't rely on a dietician to help you, they are mostly idiots (my opinion)

you have to find a motivation to do what you don't want to do, you don't think we don't all want (or did want) to eat bread and cheddars or in my case mcdonalds at every meal, hell yes, you haven't come to terms with what diabetes means at all, diabetes is ****, get your head around it

you don't like? you don't fancy? you don't have time? these are luxuries we don't have, you either decide to control your diabetes by doing things that are hard and that don't suit your life, or you don't, there are lots of people busier than you, lots of people fussier with meals than you, lots of people working longer hours and still controlling their diabetes, there are no good reasons to go blind or lose your feet, just excuses why its too hard, ask anyone with horrible complications had they been given the knowledge, the help, guidance to not let it happen before it was too late if they would or wished they had taken it? its a no brainer, come to terms with a little inconvenience, or even deprivation now or accept the possibility of a far greater consequence later, its your choice!

the information you need to fix yourself is here http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/portion-control.53422/

best of luck

Andy12345 said:

i wouldn't rely on a dietician to help you, they are mostly idiots (my opinion)

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We are mostly idiots (their opinion) ;-)

Sarah - we have almost identical tastes! I think I am even fussier than you because I don't like lamb or pork (though I do like bacon).

In answer to your original question - How can you eat small portions and not be hungry? Well, in my opinion you can't. The key is to eat bigger portions of the right foods so that you don't feel hungry and don't need to snack. Low carb/ high fat (or 'enough' fat so that you don't get hungry between meals) suits me. The less carbs I eat, the less I want them.

Please try LCHF - there's plenty of info about it here on this forum, if I can do it, I am sure you can

Sarah69 said:

When I first started the thread I was just asking about portion control. I wanted to know how you can eat small potions and not be hungry, I tried that and I felt hungry.

I was talking about sugar free jelly.

I have done my weekly shopping today, I've bought Alpen original, Yeo Valley vanilla, Yeo Valley peach and apricot yoghurt.. So I intend to have a small bowl of Alpen and a separate bowl of yoghurt. I have bought ryvita original. A small salad and some cashews.

Foods I like

Beef, chicken, lamb and pork.

Potatoes, parsnip, carrots, peas, runner beans, greens, cabbage, leeks. I will eat but not overly keen cauliflower, broccoli. I do not really like vegetables I eat them but don't really enjoy.

Mushrooms, peppers, onion, lettuce, cress, radish, tomatoes

Grapes, banana, strawberrys, clementines, cherrys

Cashews, peanuts, cheese.

I drink tea all day.

These are all I can think of at the moment I'm sure there are other things I like. I also need to stick to a budget as I have 2 sons that are still at home who are just as picky as I am.

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Sarah - there are lots of options for you there. You like lots of suitable stuff.

For breakfast, why not try some full fat plain Greek yoghurt, with berries. It's very filling, and you have identified yogurt and strawberries as on the "like" list. It takes no longer than cereal to prepare, and you can use frozen berries - strawberries, blueberries, raspberries, just, as examples. Alternatively, you could have cold meat and cheese. Maybe some sliced ham and baby bel. Again,quick and easy, and will also be filling.

For your main meal,you have all those lovely meats and veg, from the selection you like. Best to avoid, or significantly reduce the potatoes and parsnips, unfortunately. Once you are into the routine of eating veg, you may be surprised that your tastes change and you can expand your options.

Cooked breakfast is an excellent option, at any time of the day. Again, leave hash browns, fried or toasted bread to the side, and try to,choose a high meat sausage, if you like then.

For your evening, after work snack, similar ideas to breakfast, and/or nuts. I don't eat many nuts myself, as my body can't cope with them too well, but loads of people swear by them as a quick standby to snack on or kill hunger quickly.

Clearly, once you've had a decent bit of nutrition, you can dabble in the sugar-free jelly arena; with cream or Greek yoghurt if you like. Anything containing fat will satisfy your hunger pretty quickly, and I find any hunger pangs stay away longer, once I had the carbs in rein, and I had sorted some alternatives.

I miss fruit, and if you're eating quite a few alleles, you may do too, but now I have my numbers into a good place, I find I can reintroduce some of those things again, and my body tolerates them quite well. I'm sure there will be others with more suggestions, in due,course.

Sarah, it is hard. If it was easy, none of us would be here, but it is doable. You will get loads of support here. Most of us have had it in the past, and continue to receive it when we're having a less good day. We do understand the challenges we all face on a day to day basis.

I really do wish you well. Didn't someone profound say that the a journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step? That's where you are now.

Hi Sarah, here is my suggestion---just to get you started.
Forget about the veg if you don't like it and concentrate on eating some meat and/or cheese for each meal. Stick to those that are inexpensive and quick to prepare.
For example, do you like hot dogs? They only need heating up for 5 minutes, and will satisfy your hunger. You can eat 3 or 4 at a time- your kids will like them too. Eat them for breakfast for a quick start to the day. Buy a whole chicken and roast it. Have chunks for lunch or dinner. Have a chunk of cheese for lunch, no preparation needed.
Or buy burgers, sausages, eggs and bacon, and fry them in butter. Natural fats are your friend on a low carb diet. Boil a gammon roast, and cut slices off that, it will last days.These are all easy to cook, and needn't cost a lot.
Once you get the hang of eating protein and fat foods, you may feel like a bit of salad or something to add to your meals, but just start with the basics.

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Can anyone else pitch in with. Dietary ideas for Sarah, based on her preferred fords in #53?

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Bump.

Can anyone else pitch in with. Dietary ideas for Sarah, based on her preferred fords in #53?

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*takes baton*

Foods I like

Beef, chicken, lamb and pork. - Do you have a slow cooker? Bung meat and veg in it in the morning and you will have a hot meal ready when you come home at 8pm. Freeze the leftovers in portions to cut down on cooking in future.

Potatoes, parsnip, carrots, peas, runner beans, greens, cabbage, leeks. I will eat but not overly keen cauliflower, broccoli. I do not really like vegetables I eat them but don't really enjoy. Don't diss the cauli until you have tried cheesy cauli mash! You honestly can't taste the cauli. http://www.ibreatheimhungry.com/2012/01/better-than-potatoes-cheesy-cauliflower.html

Mushrooms, peppers, onion, lettuce, cress, radish, tomatoes Add some cheese to these salad veg and you will have a delicious salad.

Grapes, banana, strawberrys, clementines, cherrys Fruit is very sugary. Strawberries are the best choice here...with cream or ever cream and sugar free jelly. Frozen berries are usually cheaper.

Cashews, peanuts, cheese. Easy on the peanuts, they are very morish and not really nuts. Cheese is a great snack. Cheesestrings and mini babybels are good, portable snacks for when your are out and about.

I drink tea all day. Be aware of milk if counting carbs. Contains lactose which will raise your bg.

These are all I can think of at the moment I'm sure there are other things I like. I also need to stick to a budget as I have 2 sons that are still at home who are just as picky as I am. If you use a slow cooker, I believe that you can use cheaper meats as the long cooking process will make them tender. Batch cooking and freezing any bargain finds will also keep costs down. Your sons will always be picky if they see mum being picky. Your healthy eating will benefit you all

I use a slow cooker. Cheese strings and peperami (or lidls own version) are my fave snacks. often have salami stick in my handbag as they dont need refrigeration.

Avocado Sevenfold said:

*takes baton*

Foods I like

Beef, chicken, lamb and pork. - Do you have a slow cooker? Bung meat and veg in it in the morning and you will have a hot meal ready when you come home at 8pm. Freeze the leftovers in portions to cut down on cooking in future.

Potatoes, parsnip, carrots, peas, runner beans, greens, cabbage, leeks. I will eat but not overly keen cauliflower, broccoli. I do not really like vegetables I eat them but don't really enjoy. Don't diss the cauli until you have tried cheesy cauli mash! You honestly can't taste the cauli. http://www.ibreatheimhungry.com/2012/01/better-than-potatoes-cheesy-cauliflower.html

Mushrooms, peppers, onion, lettuce, cress, radish, tomatoes Add some cheese to these salad veg and you will have a delicious salad.

Grapes, banana, strawberrys, clementines, cherrys Fruit is very sugary. Strawberries are the best choice here...with cream or ever cream and sugar free jelly. Frozen berries are usually cheaper.

Cashews, peanuts, cheese. Easy on the peanuts, they are very morish and not really nuts. Cheese is a great snack. Cheesestrings and mini babybels are good, portable snacks for when your are out and about.

I drink tea all day. Be aware of milk if counting carbs. Contains lactose which will raise your bg.

These are all I can think of at the moment I'm sure there are other things I like. I also need to stick to a budget as I have 2 sons that are still at home who are just as picky as I am. If you use a slow cooker, I believe that you can use cheaper meats as the long cooking process will make them tender. Batch cooking and freezing any bargain finds will also keep costs down. Your sons will always be picky if they see mum being picky. Your healthy eating will benefit you all

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Some really good ideas there and tbh, looking at what you like versus what you have posted that you've been eating, there's room for loads of changes that will help your diabetes without stepping too far out of your comfort zone. I find the slow cooker great for curries, stews, chillies etc - if you are short of time no need to even brown your meat and onions, though it does give nicer flavour. Just use less cooking liquid as it generates a lot of its own and you can't be thickening it with flours or gravy granules. Homemade coleslaw is great- use a tablespoon of mayo and then rest natural yoghurt and add to shredded red and green cabbage, red onion and a grated carrot- keeps in fridge for few days and great with cold meats, cheese, salad. I make my own tandoori chicken slices or chunks- couple of spoonfuls of nat yogurt, tablespoon of lemon juice and malt vinegar and a tablespoon of spice mix( vary the spices and you get Moroccan chicken or Cajun chicken etc)- cook in oven till slightly charred - keep for few days in fridge. What about ratatouille- peppers, onions, courgettes and tin of tomatoes with garlic and shake of mixed herbs. A big pan would last a few days and could be eaten hot or cold with grated cheese on top. You can heat it and use as topping for a grilled chicken breast too or blend to a soup. It's all about cooking once and using a few times. No one wants to not be able to eat what they like, but surely it's better to curb your carb intake now and get a handle on this disease before it gets too big a grip on you?