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Is it factually true, as I've read, that over time, prediabetes WILL ALWAYS eventually lead to diabetes?

And that T2 CANNOT be cured or reversed and once you have it, you have it?
 
No it's not true. Prediabetes and diabetes can be controlled. Have a read round some of the threads and you will see that many people on here have done that.
 
Of course not. It's up to the individual how they handle a diagnosis of Pre-diabetes but there is no obvious reason why it will necessarily develop into T2D.




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What I mean, is that it cannot be cured, rather than controlked, is that correct?

And pre diabetes will not always lead to T2, but that you will always remain a pre diabetic , is that correct?
 
zed007 said:
What I mean, is that it cannot be cured, rather than controlked, is that correct?

And pre diabetes will not always lead to T2, but that you will always remain a pre diabetic , is that correct?
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There are loads of threads on here about "cure" "remission" "reversal" they are all words. What most of us try and do is to get and then keep our blood sugars levels in a band that is below that of "pre-diabetic" If you can achieve that you hopefully won't get the nasties that Type 2 bring with it. If you then eat a load of carbs or heavily processed food the symptoms may well come back and then you will be "pre diabetic" or "diabetic" again. So it's not a case of trying to "cure" ourselves with diet but establish a new way of eating that keeps our blood sugars under control. The term "pre-diabetic" is used to show that while your HbA1c test ( 2-3 month average of blood sugar levels) is not yet in the "diabetic" range it is higher than the in the "normal" range. Therefore if you can maintain your sugars in the "normal" range you won't be measurably "pre-diabetic" any more. Cured, no but a hell of a lot healthier.
At least that's how I see it...
Regards
Mark
 
It depends on what has caused it.

If, like me, you ate a load of the wrong food, and got fat, The Newcastle Diet seems a good option to try to reverse the damage.
Which then means you should be able to eat a sensible diet, keep the weight off, and call it reversal or remission if it works.
 
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I have read in several places (the one that springs to mind is bloodsugar101), that 2/3 of Prediabetics will never reach the criteria to be diagnosed diabetic.

I have no opinion on this, because I haven't collated the data!
 
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zed007 said:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/04/why-id-rather-have-hiv-than-diabetes/

This doctor says it's a progressive disease once diagnosed
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It depends on how you look at it.
Certainly, high BG is bad, and accelerates the symptoms.
Because of that, it's very easy to fall into the trap of blaming everything on BG, and think if it's kept low, that's the end of it.
There are other complications, but they are being addressed as well, (see http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/thr...-heart-damage-in-people-with-diabetes.102008/ for one example).
So, while it progressive, it can be slowed to a crawl, and other research is ongoing at a great rate.
Keep an eye on the big picture, and it doesn't look so bad.
 
zed007 said:
This doctor says it's a progressive disease once diagnosed
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Well there you go then.

Case proven.

All Diabetics form an orderly queue, euthanasia is the only sensible option.




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No....sort out the diet....permanently and you may never get T2.

Sort out the diet permanently and you might even see it resolved:)


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Brunneria said:
Most doctors say that about T2.
They also say Eat Carbs - which makes it a self fulfilling prophesy.

It is a kind of double whammy.
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The study mentioned in the article only mentions that diabetes has been treated with medication, not with diet and lifestyle. I am not taking any medication, and have been improving my health, as you can see below. The idea that diabetes is inevitably progressive is true, I guess mostly, if it is solely treated with medication and the eat-well plate.

I feel like I am in excellent company here in this forum, but I hardly find any people with diabetes in the 'outside' world who are on a strict LCHF diet. Friends with prediabetes happily eat porridge, bread and even cake, and there is nothing I can do about it. It is disappointing, though, that my eating and exercise habits have not inspired anyone, as far as I know, to change their lifestyle.
 
Munkki said:
The study mentioned in the article only mentions that diabetes has been treated with medication, not with diet and lifestyle. I am not taking any medication, and have been improving my health, as you can see below. The idea that diabetes is inevitably progressive is true, I guess mostly, if it is solely treated with medication and the eat-well plate.

I feel like I am in excellent company here in this forum, but I hardly find any people with diabetes in the 'outside' world who are on a strict LCHF diet. Friends with prediabetes happily eat porridge, bread and even cake, and there is nothing I can do about it. It is disappointing, though, that my eating and exercise habits have not inspired anyone, as far as I know, to change their lifestyle.
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You are so right we are in the minority on this forum we are a little island in the big ocean of diabetes. Most diabetics and not just in the UK will never have heard of the low carb higher fat way of eating and only if it ever becomes the official medical advice will that change
 
I think that we may always be susceptible to becoming diabetic, but by avoiding the circumstances that may trigger T2, it can be kept at bay, or at least under control. So, if we have a pre diabetes "diagnosis" then it's warning to us to take action to prevent it going any further.

Robbity
 
zed007 said:
Is it factually true, as I've read, that over time, prediabetes WILL ALWAYS eventually lead to diabetes?

And that T2 CANNOT be cured or reversed and once you have it, you have it?
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No. More than one piece of medical literature has noted that in a 5 year period, about 1/4 of study subjects will revert to normal glucose. As for reversing T2, see for example the TEDx Talk by Dr. Sarah Hallberg, a physician; and Dr. Roy Taylor, diabetes reversal (a pilot study).

The doctors saying it's irreversible? That's the conventional wisdom.
 
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