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<blockquote data-quote="JoKalsbeek" data-source="post: 2309943" data-attributes="member: 401801"><p>When I was first diagnosed I read a few books before stumbling onto Dr. Jason Fung and compatriots. One book was Dutch and basically said I'd be fine, just tweak my diet a little. (It was very moderately low carb and wouldn't've done much for me). Another was either Austrian or Swiss, and advocated low carb in a reasonable, calm and reassuring manner. Then there was a rather alarmist, shouty American book that basically told me from chapter one "Eat like this or you'll wake up dead tomorrow morning". One was practically vegan, another nixed red meats, etc etc.... I do know I didn't WANT to hear I couldn't have certain things anymore, but what was talked about made sense. So far Fung rang the most true for me, but... Every test, all research, is done starting with one premise, and it either gets proved or disproved. Which often means there are skewed results because of tunnel vision and yeah, bias. So the best thing I did was be my own guineau pig. I found over the course of a few years that LCHF put my T2 in remission, that keto with IF took me a step further, and wahey, carnivore, so far, is treating a few other ailments while keeping my blood sugars hovering in the 4's and 5's. The only thing these diets have in common as a theme is that they're gradations of low carb, and it's working for me. I am healthier, function better mentally than before, and so far the only drawbacks are social ones. I can hardly eat out, it seems. Especially in a world that appears to be becoming ever more vegan.</p><p></p><p>So, what to do, who to believe? Your meter. It's not funded by anyone but you, and it has no desire to get into The Lancet, or sell you slimming shakes. If you go from a few "givens" (and assumptions that they really are givens would have to be made, for the sake of sanity!), like, harm comes when you're over 8,5 mmol/l and doesn't when you're under, and you see what your meter is telling you... And quite possibly have a blood panel done every year to check vits and mins for instance... If your numbers are generally good, you can see for yourself which diet would best suit you. Just try one for a month, or another, or, or etc, and go from there. See what works for you. I mean.... I was eating salads, nuts and veggies every single day for years, and now as it turns out... I don't respond too well to plants in general. Heck, even the tea I've been guzzling hurt me. I felt bad for such a long time (not as bad as when I was diagnosed, but not 100% well either, <u>though comparing to where I started from, I <em>thought</em> I was</u>), but my blood sugars and liver function were back to good... I kind of ignored my thyroid and migraine issues as I'd given up on those a decade or so ago. And believe me, the last thing I wanted to hear was "Meat, fish, poultry, eggs, water only; if a lion eats it, so can you.". I miss my greens! I miss just ordering an uncomplicated salad-without-the-croutons-please-and-thank-you. And I'd kill for some Earl Grey or Chai... But this is what is working for me. Through trial and error. Still learning as I go along, and have for the past 4 years. But that's ME. Make a study of YOU. There's so many studies online that can point you in any direction, really, but none of them are about you, specifically. So test. Test diets, test blood glucose, test other values, test, test, test, and learn what applies to you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JoKalsbeek, post: 2309943, member: 401801"] When I was first diagnosed I read a few books before stumbling onto Dr. Jason Fung and compatriots. One book was Dutch and basically said I'd be fine, just tweak my diet a little. (It was very moderately low carb and wouldn't've done much for me). Another was either Austrian or Swiss, and advocated low carb in a reasonable, calm and reassuring manner. Then there was a rather alarmist, shouty American book that basically told me from chapter one "Eat like this or you'll wake up dead tomorrow morning". One was practically vegan, another nixed red meats, etc etc.... I do know I didn't WANT to hear I couldn't have certain things anymore, but what was talked about made sense. So far Fung rang the most true for me, but... Every test, all research, is done starting with one premise, and it either gets proved or disproved. Which often means there are skewed results because of tunnel vision and yeah, bias. So the best thing I did was be my own guineau pig. I found over the course of a few years that LCHF put my T2 in remission, that keto with IF took me a step further, and wahey, carnivore, so far, is treating a few other ailments while keeping my blood sugars hovering in the 4's and 5's. The only thing these diets have in common as a theme is that they're gradations of low carb, and it's working for me. I am healthier, function better mentally than before, and so far the only drawbacks are social ones. I can hardly eat out, it seems. Especially in a world that appears to be becoming ever more vegan. So, what to do, who to believe? Your meter. It's not funded by anyone but you, and it has no desire to get into The Lancet, or sell you slimming shakes. If you go from a few "givens" (and assumptions that they really are givens would have to be made, for the sake of sanity!), like, harm comes when you're over 8,5 mmol/l and doesn't when you're under, and you see what your meter is telling you... And quite possibly have a blood panel done every year to check vits and mins for instance... If your numbers are generally good, you can see for yourself which diet would best suit you. Just try one for a month, or another, or, or etc, and go from there. See what works for you. I mean.... I was eating salads, nuts and veggies every single day for years, and now as it turns out... I don't respond too well to plants in general. Heck, even the tea I've been guzzling hurt me. I felt bad for such a long time (not as bad as when I was diagnosed, but not 100% well either, [U]though comparing to where I started from, I [I]thought[/I] I was[/U]), but my blood sugars and liver function were back to good... I kind of ignored my thyroid and migraine issues as I'd given up on those a decade or so ago. And believe me, the last thing I wanted to hear was "Meat, fish, poultry, eggs, water only; if a lion eats it, so can you.". I miss my greens! I miss just ordering an uncomplicated salad-without-the-croutons-please-and-thank-you. And I'd kill for some Earl Grey or Chai... But this is what is working for me. Through trial and error. Still learning as I go along, and have for the past 4 years. But that's ME. Make a study of YOU. There's so many studies online that can point you in any direction, really, but none of them are about you, specifically. So test. Test diets, test blood glucose, test other values, test, test, test, and learn what applies to you. [/QUOTE]
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