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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mekalu2k4" data-source="post: 850541" data-attributes="member: 171561">Fully agreed.  Impact of high protein diet on kidneys cannot be ignored.  Impact of alcohol on liver is well known.  Re Moderation and Low level diets:  Most body builders follow bulking (moderate to high diets) and cutting-out (low diets) phases with different proportions of carbs, proteins, fats etc.  Some even believe that bulking and cutting-out phases should be rotated.  High end, competitive range athletes are extremely careful of their diet.  Mostly they themselves make their own food.  If anyone carefully observes such folks go through more disciplined life (of diet and exercise and rest) than most T2D folks do.  Some even consider meditation as part of exercise.  If body fat goes up a little bit, they get worried, just as T2D folks do if BS levels get messed up.  Just imagine it takes a lot of effort to reduce body fat by 1% when body reaches around 18% BF.  Even rate of body weight loss reduces if the person is below BMI of 22.    Personally I do see lot of similarities between these folks - just that T2D folks have to see GPs regularly and pop a few pills.  T2D folks usually enjoy their life, whereas folks engaged in extreme training almost live very controlled / restricted life (can't eat salt, sweet, fatty oils, of course the story of carbs is known).</blockquote>

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