Rant Alert. Please Bear With Me. High Bg Levels.

briped · Jun 18, 2018

Antje77 said:
Which is perfectly irrelevant. As far as I know, diabetes is a very frustrating condition, especially because it tends to behave illogical at times. Quite the same for all types, although I count myself lucky to be able to take some insulin when having unexpected highs.
Compare yourself to yourself when it's about numbers, makes much more sense than comparing them to someone elses. I can still relate to your frustrations, although my numbers might be very different from yours, and I hope your diabetes will start to behave itself again soon!

Well, it's not irrelevant to me, and I'm not comparing my numbers to anybody else's but my own, as they were till only a couple of days ago, because I absolutely agree there's no point in doing that. I'm saying that a T1's numbers are more likely to fluctuate more, but I'm not comparing my condition to a T1 diabetics. Different treatment, different problems, in general.

briped · Jun 18, 2018

TonyHancock said:
I just reread that sentence and I am not sure I have expressed myself properly. What I was trying to say was that diabetes is the symptom and can result from many things and to narrow that to just a handful, as in Type 1, type 2, type 1.5 etc doesn't make sense to me. I think there are so many unknowns that are slipping through the net, and way too much focus on stabilising BG levels without addressing the root cause. (Type 1 is perhaps different, I don't know enough about it to understand if there are multiple reasons for the lack of insulin production.)

I'm no expert on any of the types, but I see your point. The different types can be narrowed down even further, maybe, but for practical purposes it's good the have the distinctions. Did I misunderstand you?

Antje77 · Jun 18, 2018

briped said:
Well, it's not irrelevant to me, and I'm not comparing my numbers to anybody else's but my own, as they were till only a couple of days ago, because I absolutely agree there's no point in doing that. I'm saying that a T1's numbers are more likely to fluctuate more, but I'm not comparing my condition to a T1 diabetics. Different treatment, different problems, in general.

I'm sorry for not being clear, I was agreeing with you! I meant those proverbial type1's complaining they're not impressed by your numbers were being irrelevant, not you!
I meant they should be comparing their numbers to themselves instead of complaining that some people worry when they have better numbers than they do. I think they should still relate to the feelings illogical numbers give.

briped · Jun 18, 2018

Antje77 said:
I'm sorry for not being clear, I was agreeing with you! I meant those proverbial type1's complaining they're not impressed by your numbers were being irrelevant, not you!
I meant they should be comparing their numbers to themselves instead of complaining that some people worry when they have better numbers than they do. I think they should still relate to the feelings illogical numbers give.

I love it when somebody agrees with me Thank you!

TonyHancock · Jun 18, 2018

briped said:
I'm no expert on any of the types, but I see your point. The different types can be narrowed down even further, maybe, but for practical purposes it's good the have the distinctions. Did I misunderstand you?

No I think I you have nailed it. I do think that there could be tens, if not more, of potential causes and combinations of causes of elevated BG levels. That is what is so frustrating. From a food perspective we could be continuing unchanged yet other factors, or even combination of factors are driving up BG levels. I really want to understand the root causes. My inclination is that stress is a major factor for me, increasing cortisol levels and then glucose levels.

Are there any other external factors impacting you that might cause and increase in stress?

Antje77 · Jun 18, 2018

briped said:
I love it when somebody agrees with me Thank you!

You're welcome! Happy to agree with you any time

briped · Jun 18, 2018

Antje77 said:
You're welcome! Happy to agree with you any time

I'll hold you to that no matter what nonsense I type in the future

Antje77 · Jun 18, 2018

briped said:
I'll hold you to that no matter what nonsense I type in the future

Just tag me

briped · Jun 18, 2018

Antje77 said:
Just tag me

Will do Thanks.

Antje77 · Jun 18, 2018

briped said:
Will do Thanks.

First time hitting the 'agree' button made me chuckle
And I don't know if your bg has improved already, but I'm pretty sure your mood has by now

Ziggy2017 · Jun 18, 2018

briped said:
BG over the last month is an average of 5.4mmol/L. No real lows and no real highs. 99,9% of readings in their 4s or 5s.
When I do eat it's low carb, and since the beginning of April my numbers have been fine.
The same meds since last autumn: 2 x 500mg metformin, 1,8 mg victoza and 10mg jardiance. Nothing changed.

Then suddenly ...!

Yesterday I had an FBG of 8.5 and a daily average of 6.9 (5 readings), and today doesn't look too good either. It really p***** me of, because I'm not doing anything differently to what I've been doing since late March, and I can't stop thinking about why this is happening.

Ok, so I tend to wake up and get up very early, but that's not new, and it hasn't affected my readings much previously.
I don't believe I have any infections. I do get tired/sleepy around 11am'ish, just like I did when my Hba1 was at it's highest.

My mood is affected by this, and I feel like popping down to the baker's to get myselv the carbiest cakes possibly, because if BGs are high there might as well be a very good reason (I'm typing this hammering away at my keyboard in annoyance), right?

Wrong, of course, and I'm not going to do it. It's just me having a row with my body, trying to threaten it into compliance. I'm not even craving anything carby, but don't tell my adversary that I'm more likely to starve myself.

Today at 5:48AM. FBG 6.0. Hmph, but ok then. At least not as bad as the FBG of 8.5 yesterday. My 'breakfast' was two slices of full fat cheese, 4 mugs of tea with very little cream and less than ½ an avocado (had to cut away the bad bits - again.) BS at 11:42 am 7.1.

Thanks for reading this. I've learned that I shouldn't take a steady, perfectly fine BG for granted, not even on low carb, but from an average of 5.1 on Saturday to an average of 6.9 on Sunday is more than I can fathom, and it doesn't look as if today is going to be much better.

I wonder if it could be good news. If it's my liver getting rid of any surplus glucogen, but there's no way of knowing, I suppose.

@briped i totally understand high and low bgs can be so annoying last week I had 3 hypos in two days none of which I felt (they were 3.0,3.4 and 3.9) and suddenly today I woke with a sugar of 5.5 and after dinner 11.8 hope you feel better

briped · Jun 18, 2018

Ziggy2017 said:
@briped i totally understand high and low bgs can be so annoying last week I had 3 hypos in two days none of which I felt (they were 3.0,3.4 and 3.9) and suddenly today I woke with a sugar of 5.5 and after dinner 11.8 hope you feel better

Thanks, Ziggy. Lemme check. "jabs finger" Nope. 6.4 before eating. Me no like
Your graph sounds like the very image of Mount Everest! Mine is only Yorkshire Dales'ish, but yes, it's the not getting it that bugs me. It doesn't make sense. I hope your graph evens out to resemble flat East Anglia.

Ziggy2017 · Jun 18, 2018

briped said:
Thanks, Ziggy. Lemme check. "jabs finger" Nope. 6.4 before eating. Me no like
Your graph sounds like the very image of Mount Everest! Mine is only Yorkshire Dales'ish, but yes, it's the not getting it that bugs me. It doesn't make sense. I hope your graph evens out to resemble flat East Anglia.

Thanks @briped i guess we just have to deal with it

briped · Jun 18, 2018

Antje77 said:
First time hitting the 'agree' button made me chuckle
And I don't know if your bg has improved already, but I'm pretty sure your mood has by now

Mood has improved, BG hasn't Having a lovely banter is always mood improving, perhaps even BG lowering ...? I'm glad I made you chuckle, because you made me smile too Look forward to seeing how my FBG is tomorrow ... I think ... Maybe ...

Resurgam · Jun 18, 2018

Not eating first thing is a sure fire guaranteed way for high BG by noon and a drop in late afternoon.
I have a proper meal soon after getting up and then can go all day without eating and not feel hungry or hypo. I just got back from band practice this evening and ate at ten pm.

ickihun · Jun 18, 2018

briped said:
BG over the last month is an average of 5.4mmol/L. No real lows and no real highs. 99,9% of readings in their 4s or 5s.
When I do eat it's low carb, and since the beginning of April my numbers have been fine.
The same meds since last autumn: 2 x 500mg metformin, 1,8 mg victoza and 10mg jardiance. Nothing changed.

Then suddenly ...!

Yesterday I had an FBG of 8.5 and a daily average of 6.9 (5 readings), and today doesn't look too good either. It really p***** me of, because I'm not doing anything differently to what I've been doing since late March, and I can't stop thinking about why this is happening.

Ok, so I tend to wake up and get up very early, but that's not new, and it hasn't affected my readings much previously.
I don't believe I have any infections. I do get tired/sleepy around 11am'ish, just like I did when my Hba1 was at it's highest.

My mood is affected by this, and I feel like popping down to the baker's to get myselv the carbiest cakes possibly, because if BGs are high there might as well be a very good reason (I'm typing this hammering away at my keyboard in annoyance), right?

Wrong, of course, and I'm not going to do it. It's just me having a row with my body, trying to threaten it into compliance. I'm not even craving anything carby, but don't tell my adversary that I'm more likely to starve myself.

Today at 5:48AM. FBG 6.0. Hmph, but ok then. At least not as bad as the FBG of 8.5 yesterday. My 'breakfast' was two slices of full fat cheese, 4 mugs of tea with very little cream and less than ½ an avocado (had to cut away the bad bits - again.) BS at 11:42 am 7.1.

Thanks for reading this. I've learned that I shouldn't take a steady, perfectly fine BG for granted, not even on low carb, but from an average of 5.1 on Saturday to an average of 6.9 on Sunday is more than I can fathom, and it doesn't look as if today is going to be much better.

I wonder if it could be good news. If it's my liver getting rid of any surplus glucogen, but there's no way of knowing, I suppose.

Just a thought.... Does your battery need changing or has meter/strips been left somewhere too hot/cold.

ickihun · Jun 18, 2018

Bluetit1802 said:
There you go ..... that could be the reason. You have been eating so little and then you had 2 big meals. Your pancreas had fallen asleep. You gave it a big shock. Seriously, I mean it. This is why when a person on a very low carb diet due to go for an oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) has to eat upwards of 130 - 150g of carbs each day for 3 days before the test, otherwise they will fail miserably.

This way of eating can increase IR. Stick to small meals rather than meal varients up and down. Ok?

MrsGruffy · Jun 19, 2018

What I hate the most is that input A doesn't equal output A. You can eat and do exactly the same thing days in a row, and suddenly you have a change in your readings. I think it might be partially because we're taking on board the perception that we've bought this on ourselves, and so, when we take control, we expect that our bodies will behave in a sensible, submissive, orderly fashion. I'm beginning to understand that sometimes there is no 'why', there just is.

MrsGruffy · Jun 19, 2018

Resurgam said:
Not eating first thing is a sure fire guaranteed way for high BG by noon and a drop in late afternoon.
I have a proper meal soon after getting up and then can go all day without eating and not feel hungry or hypo. I just got back from band practice this evening and ate at ten pm.

Whereas, my highest reading is always the very first one of the day, and then it gradually declines with last reading generally the lowest of the day. I started to eat breakfast for the first time ever in my life, when I was diagnosed and following HCP advice. My numbers don't go up 2 hours after a meal unless I mistakenly eat something carb-riddled. I would love to try continuous monitoring to find out whether there are random highs and lows and what happens while I'm sleeping.

ickihun · Jun 19, 2018

MrsGruffy said:
What I hate the most is that input A doesn't equal output A. You can eat and do exactly the same thing days in a row, and suddenly you have a change in your readings. I think it might be partially because we're taking on board the perception that we've bought this on ourselves, and so, when we take control, we expect that our bodies will behave in a sensible, submissive, orderly fashion. I'm beginning to understand that sometimes there is no 'why', there just is.

The liver is so influencial. It dumps whenever it likes. We have no control over it. However it has saved lives, over and over again so metformin is the closest help we will get on it, I feel. It doesn't normally cause hypos.... luckily. A good regulator is metformin.

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