Type 2 Reversible

DawnOfTheZed said:

Hi @Ellen67
I'm reading this on a platform that doesn't show members details, so sorry if this info is given elsewhere. Have you had T2 confirmed? If not, a C-peptide blood test may be worth requesting, to rule out your Mum's side's T1 tendencies?

My understanding is that some T2s eventually stop producing insulin and then need to inject it. In those cases, 'remission' or 'reversal' will be difficult. So the d nurse over-simplified, imo.

Best wishes

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Good point re being sure of diagnosis

And some type 2 do stop producing insulin and have to inject, in a similar way to type 1 and 3. Reducing carbs can still have some benefits to these people too though if they choose this way of eating.

Some type 2 on insulin still produce lots of their own. They are so insulin resistant they can’t produce enough though. So yet more is added exogenously to try and force the glucose into the cells. Reducing insulin resistance so their own levels are enough would negate the need for it exogenously. That may not always be possible but I’m not convinced it’s even tried in many cases with yet more drugs being used as first response, rather than last (only after other measures like a “well educated” low carb diet and other lifestyle adjustments aren’t enough or as a temporary thing whilst these things are put in place and take effect in extreme cases.)

I could now eat a 'normal' meal and not see a high spike in blood glucose, but it would mean the usual reaction - an increase in weight as I stash away the excess as fat with added water.
It has always been my problem - so diabetes is secondary to controlling weight.

I've never been able to normalize my glucose levels beyond returning to the non-diabetic range with the LCHF/ketogenic diet and walking. Perhaps this is because I didn't start the diet until I'd already had T2DM for 10+ years. After much contemplation, I've decided regardless of my diabetes or non-diabetes status, it's worth the effort to learn how to care properly for my body and avoid complications. The good news is that I love to cook, eat what I cook, and am grateful for my glucose meter. It tells me where I am throughout the day and keeps me motivated. I'd rather know than not know.

Welcome to the forum and keep the questions coming...

Ellen67 said:

Thank you all for your input I must say the nurse wound me up a bit by saying it can be reversed if you cut out carbs until I said all my dad's side are t2 diabetic my mums side t1 diabetic she then went quiet.

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That is true for my family too...most of my aunts/uncles from both side of the family, including my dad left with amputated limbs, failed kidney/organs etc.

But...this is what carbs reduction does... 400mg/dl (22 mmol) to120mmg/dl (6.7 mmol) within a couple of weeks...without medication or exercise...




As Prof Tim Naokes commented...

"My conclusion is that unlike my father, it is not my pre-ordained fate to die from the final common pathway in fatal T2DM – disseminated obstructive arterial disease. But to achieve that I will have to ignore what I was taught and which, in turn, I have conveyed to 2 generations of students."

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https://www.dietdoctor.com/incorrect-dietary-management-diabetes-noakes

So similarly, I remain hopeful that we may not have to suffer the same fate as those who have gone before us...

Ellen67 said:

Just update and advice. Apparently blood test come back OK and when I asked what was the reading she couldn't say just said it says treat as high risk of diabetes! Got appointment with Dr next week as I don't understand why I'm getting symptoms and had sugar in urine

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Ask for a print out of those test results. You are entitled to these, and the receptionist should be able to print one off for you. Failing that, make sure you get one from the doctor, and if you live in England ask him if they put test results on line as all surgeries in England are supposed to do. These will also include results of any other things they checked for, such as cholesterol.

kokhongw said:

But...this is what carbs reduction does...

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Same here. First blood test was fasting BG = 235 then a follow up test to confirm was fasting BG = 225. Immediatly found diabetes.co.uk, watched a few videos then cut out bread, potatoes, pasta & milk. Once I'd drastically cut the carbs my BG came down to more or less normal in no time and I also shed about 40lbs over the following months as a bonus. I eventually found substitutes for many of the things I'd cut out.

That said, I still spike if and when I succumb to carby foods.