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<blockquote data-quote="Oldvatr" data-source="post: 1524408" data-attributes="member: 196898"><p>It seems that contaminants from industial processes involved in the food industry can leak through and give false results. It is possible that the experimental procedure involved in the high fat preparation may be affecting results. It may be a test method problem. If it is not so, then it would seem that people who are T2D or IGT have significant risk of geting septic shock (that kills readily) from a high fat diet causing meningitis or similar bacterial type infection, I am not aware of anyone reporting such events associated specifically with T2D or IGT patients, Not sure what the conclusion is that we can draw from this paper. It may show that bacteria in the gut is being stressed by a high fat diet more than in normal population, The other thing to consider is that the bacteria often create mimics to act as camoflage to fool our immune systems, so may actually be harmless.</p><p></p><p>[USER=277199]@kokhongw[/USER] Edit to add: I have re-read this study, and I think the use of the word endotoxins is misleading. Firstly gram negative bacteria are everywhere. They are called this because the standard lab test Gram Staining, does not detect them, hence the <em>negative</em> label. The endotoxins referred to in this study seem to be the left over skins of dead bacteria, so it seems the high fat is triggering our immune system which attacks some nasty bugs that are already in our body, so may actually be doing us a favour. What they are measuring by this study is the body count after a major battle against bacterial microbes in our gut</p><p></p><p>Gram-negative bacteria species <em>include the Helicobacter Pylori, Legionella, and gonorrhoea viruses</em></p><p><em></em></p><p>I will continue to imbibe high fat until proven wrong.</p><p></p><p>[USER=345386]@DCUKMod[/USER] Can we extract this post from this thread and attach it to my new thread in General Discussions entitled Should We fear Lectins? so as to reduce this off topic conversation?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oldvatr, post: 1524408, member: 196898"] It seems that contaminants from industial processes involved in the food industry can leak through and give false results. It is possible that the experimental procedure involved in the high fat preparation may be affecting results. It may be a test method problem. If it is not so, then it would seem that people who are T2D or IGT have significant risk of geting septic shock (that kills readily) from a high fat diet causing meningitis or similar bacterial type infection, I am not aware of anyone reporting such events associated specifically with T2D or IGT patients, Not sure what the conclusion is that we can draw from this paper. It may show that bacteria in the gut is being stressed by a high fat diet more than in normal population, The other thing to consider is that the bacteria often create mimics to act as camoflage to fool our immune systems, so may actually be harmless. [USER=277199]@kokhongw[/USER] Edit to add: I have re-read this study, and I think the use of the word endotoxins is misleading. Firstly gram negative bacteria are everywhere. They are called this because the standard lab test Gram Staining, does not detect them, hence the [I]negative[/I] label. The endotoxins referred to in this study seem to be the left over skins of dead bacteria, so it seems the high fat is triggering our immune system which attacks some nasty bugs that are already in our body, so may actually be doing us a favour. What they are measuring by this study is the body count after a major battle against bacterial microbes in our gut Gram-negative bacteria species [I]include the Helicobacter Pylori, Legionella, and gonorrhoea viruses [/I] I will continue to imbibe high fat until proven wrong. [USER=345386]@DCUKMod[/USER] Can we extract this post from this thread and attach it to my new thread in General Discussions entitled Should We fear Lectins? so as to reduce this off topic conversation? [/QUOTE]
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