There does seem to be a lot of confusion about fats generally and where we get sat fat from in particular. Scientists make that mistake as often as regular people which I find kind of worrying especially when they are writing about nutrition...
There does seem to be a lot of confusion about fats generally and where we get sat fat from in particular. Scientists make that mistake as often as regular people which I find kind of worrying especially when they are writing about nutrition...that article links to a study using sodium palmitiate - which is found in olives too. Yet the writer of the linked article says olives are good for us and not saturated. Confused or what?
But but but.. the studies that underly your paper were all on people who were still eating a significant portion (45-50%) of their diet as carbohydrate. We all know that high fat and high carb intake is extremely unhealthy so it looks like the paper is reporting "eat a diet likely to induce Type 2 diabetes and hey presto your insulin resistance will go up"... well no s**t Sherlock.. That is exactly what I would expect to happen.
I'm also afraid to let you know that there are zero foods that are composed of only monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats. All foods with fat are composed of varying elements of the three fat types so it is in fact impossible to eat no saturated fat unless of course you wish to die. As we all know there are essential fats and protein but no essential carbs.
That as well as the very valid points that @Guzzler has made above I'm afraid means I'll carry on with my sat fat (and mono and poly) based diet thanks.
I hope however that your own personal regime is still performing as you hoped.
Edit to add here's a piece from Dr Zoe Harcombe explaining fats.
http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2018/01/saturated-fat/
Thank you, my BGs are normal and my weight has stayed down ( gone further down actually). I would never be a vegan - I wouldn't find their diet palatable and I'm not a big fan of bunny rabbits. But they have an almost zero rate of T2 so they must be doing something right. Perhaps its the almost entire lack of saturated fat in their diet. I don't think we should be too quick to scorn them.But but but.. the studies that underly your paper were all on people who were still eating a significant portion (45-50%) of their diet as carbohydrate. We all know that high fat and high carb intake is extremely unhealthy so it looks like the paper is reporting "eat a diet likely to induce Type 2 diabetes and hey presto your insulin resistance will go up"... well no s**t Sherlock.. That is exactly what I would expect to happen.
I'm also afraid to let you know that there are zero foods that are composed of only monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fats. All foods with fat are composed of varying elements of the three fat types so it is in fact impossible to eat no saturated fat unless of course you wish to die. As we all know there are essential fats and protein but no essential carbs.
That as well as the very valid points that @Guzzler has made above I'm afraid means I'll carry on with my sat fat (and mono and poly) based diet thanks.
I hope however that your own personal regime is still performing as you hoped.
Edit to add here's a piece from Dr Zoe Harcombe explaining fats.
http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2018/01/saturated-fat/
Bunnies have a completely different digestive system. They also have to eat their own poop in order to be healthy . So I’ll passThank you, my BGs are normal and my weight has stayed down ( gone further down actually). I would never be a vegan - I wouldn't find their diet palatable and I'm not a big fan of bunny rabbits. But they have an almost zero rate of T2 so they must be doing something right. Perhaps its the almost entire lack of saturated fat in their diet. I don't think we should be too quick to scorn them.
Not sure that is 100% correct either we have a few vegan members on the forum.. however a whole lot of them seem to have quite a few other health problems such as rotten teeth, hair loss quite a few seem to have quite severe mental health problems (maybe down to Vit B12 deficiency?) and a whole load more seem to end up following the carnivore way of eating to heal themselves.But they have an almost zero rate of T2 so they must be doing something right.
Is that a self induced fecal transplant?Bunnies have a completely different digestive system. They also have to eat their own poop in order to be healthy . So I’ll pass
I have to say that the way you have written this makes it sound a tad judgnental of, and insulting to, other forum membersNot sure that is 100% correct either we have a few vegan members on the forum.. however a whole lot of them seem to have quite a few other health problems such as rotten teeth, hair loss quite a few seem to have quite severe mental health problems (maybe down to Vit B12 deficiency?) and a whole load more seem to end up following the carnivore way of eating to heal themselves..
Where do I say all vegans? Your own prejudice is showing.I have to say that the way you have written this sounds a tad judgnental of, and insulting to, other forum members
Read what you wroteWhere do I say all vegans? Your own prejudice is showing.
I have however in my extended travels around the net noticed a lot of what I say.. And even this morning I was chatting to a dietician who had to agree that most vegan diets will need the correct supplements to be healthy. If these supplements are included then it should be fine. If not then they can be dangerous especially to children and the elderly (who are probably the least likely to understand the need to supplement or what to have).
Edit to add I'm sure that vegan members here are perfectly aware of the extra things they need as we are more aware of what we eat than 95% of the general population.
OK I agree that was badly worded.. I meant vegans in general rather than forum members obviously. So apologies to any vegan members to whom I may have caused offence.. clumsy on my part mea culpa.Read what you wrote
“ we have a few vegan members on the forum.. however a whole lot of them seem to have quite a few other health problems such as rotten teeth, hair loss quite a few seemto have quite severe mental health problems“
Fyi I am not vegan and have no particular views re the diet, I was simply commenting on the way what you wrote comes across
The reason I keep banging on about Newcastle is that we know that if you get the fat off the pancreas soon enough, while the beta cells are just moribund and have not yet "differentiated" permanently, the beta cells can be restored to their original function again. But there is only a limited window of opportunity.This varies between people (possibly depending on how fat they are, and how sensitive their beta cells are to fat but certainly on how long they have had T2). After that, losing the pancreatic fat won't help. I hope to give people on here the heads up before they reach the point where their beta cells could no longer recover whatever they do.
https://www.endocrineweb.com/profes...-beta-cells-getting-closer-reversing-diabetes
Even though many questions remain, Dr. Taylor expressed certainty of that the timing is right for endocrinologists and primary care practitioners to take a more aggressive approach with regard to weight managed in their patients—more urgently in those who are newly diagnosed with type 2—to emphasize the urgency to lose the excess weight immediately.
Despite the initial effect of diet and oral therapy to lower glucose, observational studies have shown that disease progression is associated with inexorably declining β-cell function and progression to insulin commencement, with relatively minor changes in underlying insulin resistance.
The difference is in the use of MRI scans etc to show how the test subjects bodies changed while on the diet, and in controlling diet input and measuring diabetic outcome so that a direct link has been demonstrated. WW etc are simply weight loss operations, ND was specifically linked to diabetes as a controlled experiment by qualified personnel, not commercial companies testing their own products.That is sometimes dependant on exactly when you are diagnosed and does not address the question of those for whom weight gain was not a symptom and may have been insulin resistant for decades.
By this premise I should be quite able to put back on all the weight I lost quite safely, no? Because I was carrying no extra weight on diagnosis and this was by HCPs/NICE etc guidelines.
What makes me slightly sceptical about ND is that it is fundamentally a restricted calorie diet and these diets have been around for for donkeys, the only difference is that ND is led by doctors but the basic tenet is the same as WW or SW. It was hailed as a 'breakthrough' but I think it may die a slow death just as those that have gone before it.
The difference is in the use of MRI scans etc to show how the test subjects bodies changed while on the diet, and in controlling diet input and measuring diabetic outcome so that a direct link has been demonstrated. WW etc are simply weight loss operations, ND was specifically linked to diabetes as a controlled experiment by qualified personnel, not commercial companies testing their own products.
Interesting but not conclusive IMO. Seems to bear up the experience I have observed but that is only an opinion. I have not been able to read and digest their findings, but they do have a good section giving limitations to their findings, which is a novelty. As you say lightweight, and a meta study on observational data.Bit of a lightweight observational self selected study but interesting results all the same?
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0088278&type=printable
reported in the Independent today.. is the Indy coming out as pro meat I wonder to counter the Guardian's vegetarian/vegan agenda..
Interesting take on the Guardian!Bit of a lightweight observational self selected study but interesting results all the same?
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0088278&type=printable
reported in the Independent today.. is the Indy coming out as pro meat I wonder to counter the Guardian's vegetarian/vegan agenda..
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