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<blockquote data-quote="SunnyExpat" data-source="post: 938370" data-attributes="member: 200461"><p>This has all kicked off a bit since I last had a look at the thread.</p><p></p><p>I've not been here long so really don't know who [USER=74036]@Southport GP[/USER] is.</p><p>But I must admit to a bit of confusion, as I looked back at the previous threads he started.</p><p>Let me know if I've gone astray anywhere.</p><p></p><p>First one I found, he called 'low cabohydrate', no mention of fats, </p><p>'though porridge, new potatoes and oat cakes in moderation</p><p>may be fine'</p><p></p><p>'Proteins such as in meat, eggs, fish – particularly oily fish such as salmon, mackerel or tuna –</p><p>are fine and can be eaten freely.'</p><p></p><p>'Plain full fat yoghurt makes a good breakfast with the berries.</p><p>Processed meats such as bacon, ham, sausages or salami are not as healthy and should only be</p><p>eaten in moderation.</p><p>Fats (yes, fats can be fine in moderation): olive oil is very useful, butter may be tastier than</p><p>margarine and could be better for you! Coconut oil is great for stir fries. Four essential vitamins</p><p>A, D, E and K are only found in some fats or oils. Please avoid margarine, corn oil and vegetable</p><p>oil'</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.practicaldiabetes.com/SpringboardWebApp/userfiles/espdi/file/March%202014/PP%20Unwin%20final%20proofs%20revised.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.practicaldiabetes.com/SpringboardWebApp/userfiles/espdi/file/March 2014/PP Unwin final proofs revised.pdf</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>Second post, again called a 'low carbohydrate diet', no mention of fats.</p><p></p><p>' This was accomplished using a low carbohydrate diet—in his words: “more a lifestyle than a diet.” The weight loss enabled him to take more exercise, join a gym, and take up yoga. He has come off sugar altogether and cut out bread (he previously consumed a lot of this), potatoes, pasta, cereals, and rice. This has led to greater consumption of green vegetables, but also eggs, full fat Greek yoghurt, and cheese.'</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h4023.full?ijkey=AN2nBwW6h3wuQJK&keytype=ref" target="_blank">http://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h4023.full?ijkey=AN2nBwW6h3wuQJK&keytype=ref</a></p><p></p><p>All sounds good so far.</p><p>I realise now that a lot of members on here obviously do high fat, and seem to have adopted Southport gp, and credited him with a LCHF 'prescription' diet, which he seems to have let carry him forward, without ever actually saying anything about fat.</p><p></p><p>But now he seems to be the champion of a high fat diet, and not only that, it's based on a report that says saturated fat is no worse than refined carbs.</p><p>Which means exactly the same as it's no better than refined carbs.</p><p>But it is better than trans fats.</p><p></p><p>So, a respectable journal like the BMJ seems to be recommending we eat saturated fats, as they are no worse than refined carbs, but they are better than a fat you would go to jail for using in some countries.</p><p>And Southport gp is suggesting we switch to it?</p><p>And quoting references to people that suggest we use it for what, 80% of our diet.</p><p>As saturated fat?</p><p>Like I say, must have missed something inbetween.</p><p></p><p>Me, I have to be honest, I missed the thread because I was out getting fish, and a few yams and some yuca.</p><p>After reading the evidence for saturated fat, it's well on the back burner, the grill is coming back out, the fat is being cut off, and I'm going for polyunsaturated, which the report shows actually is better than refined carbs for your health.</p><p></p><p>I don't do well with refined carbs, I don't want fat that is, at best, no worse than refined carbs for your heart.</p><p></p><p>I would be interested to see his response, as no doubt I have got something wrong, so I have tagged him in this post.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SunnyExpat, post: 938370, member: 200461"] This has all kicked off a bit since I last had a look at the thread. I've not been here long so really don't know who [USER=74036]@Southport GP[/USER] is. But I must admit to a bit of confusion, as I looked back at the previous threads he started. Let me know if I've gone astray anywhere. First one I found, he called 'low cabohydrate', no mention of fats, 'though porridge, new potatoes and oat cakes in moderation may be fine' 'Proteins such as in meat, eggs, fish – particularly oily fish such as salmon, mackerel or tuna – are fine and can be eaten freely.' 'Plain full fat yoghurt makes a good breakfast with the berries. Processed meats such as bacon, ham, sausages or salami are not as healthy and should only be eaten in moderation. Fats (yes, fats can be fine in moderation): olive oil is very useful, butter may be tastier than margarine and could be better for you! Coconut oil is great for stir fries. Four essential vitamins A, D, E and K are only found in some fats or oils. Please avoid margarine, corn oil and vegetable oil' [URL]http://www.practicaldiabetes.com/SpringboardWebApp/userfiles/espdi/file/March%202014/PP%20Unwin%20final%20proofs%20revised.pdf[/URL] Second post, again called a 'low carbohydrate diet', no mention of fats. ' This was accomplished using a low carbohydrate diet—in his words: “more a lifestyle than a diet.” The weight loss enabled him to take more exercise, join a gym, and take up yoga. He has come off sugar altogether and cut out bread (he previously consumed a lot of this), potatoes, pasta, cereals, and rice. This has led to greater consumption of green vegetables, but also eggs, full fat Greek yoghurt, and cheese.' [URL]http://www.bmj.com/content/351/bmj.h4023.full?ijkey=AN2nBwW6h3wuQJK&keytype=ref[/URL] All sounds good so far. I realise now that a lot of members on here obviously do high fat, and seem to have adopted Southport gp, and credited him with a LCHF 'prescription' diet, which he seems to have let carry him forward, without ever actually saying anything about fat. But now he seems to be the champion of a high fat diet, and not only that, it's based on a report that says saturated fat is no worse than refined carbs. Which means exactly the same as it's no better than refined carbs. But it is better than trans fats. So, a respectable journal like the BMJ seems to be recommending we eat saturated fats, as they are no worse than refined carbs, but they are better than a fat you would go to jail for using in some countries. And Southport gp is suggesting we switch to it? And quoting references to people that suggest we use it for what, 80% of our diet. As saturated fat? Like I say, must have missed something inbetween. Me, I have to be honest, I missed the thread because I was out getting fish, and a few yams and some yuca. After reading the evidence for saturated fat, it's well on the back burner, the grill is coming back out, the fat is being cut off, and I'm going for polyunsaturated, which the report shows actually is better than refined carbs for your health. I don't do well with refined carbs, I don't want fat that is, at best, no worse than refined carbs for your heart. I would be interested to see his response, as no doubt I have got something wrong, so I have tagged him in this post. [/QUOTE]
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