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<blockquote data-quote="Oldvatr" data-source="post: 2223708" data-attributes="member: 196898"><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1607_Bristol_Channel_floods" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1607_Bristol_Channel_floods</a></p><p>The Somerset levels used to be under water permanently, as were most of Kent (Romney Marsh) and East Anglia (The Fens) and Norfolk (The Broads) Even in my life these were often threatened with flooding, and the town of Reculver near Margate was lost on one year in my life What happened is that man learned how to tame these marshlands and peatlands,and dry them out to reclaim them. We do the same in all our towns and villages: we ignore the land that our forebears learned to use as flood reservoirs and controlled with sluices and weirs, and that knowledge got lost in time. We abuse the land that nature provides.</p><p></p><p>When I see the flooding pictures + the drone shots now show the water running on an ancient river valley where a town now stands, so it is not surprising that we now learn the bitter experience of nature reclaiming its own natural parthways. As was pointed out in this thread or another, King Canute was not too successful at commanding nature, Now we are hearing historic accounts of previous deluges that were occurring long before the anthroposcene era (i,e, the industrial age). So it is a natural part of the cycle, and is not the end of the world, Chicken Likken was wrong too.</p><p></p><p>CO2 levels were previously higher, the earth was warmer and yet thermal runaway did not occur, in fact the earth cooled despite high CO2 levels. But just think of the energy we are pumping into the air from our modern life. Megawatts of heat, lots of water vapour which is the most potent of GHG. Now water vapour creates clouds that shield the sun, so having more rainclouds is part of the self regulation of the earth cycle. The warming of the oceans may not be as the scientists tell us to blame solely GHG. There are other influences such as pollution and algae that affect the waters too. We could possibly be barking up the wrong tree entirely, but unless we start taking stock and doing proper investigation instead of jumping around like lemmings then the industialists will win.</p><p></p><p>There are a lot of scientists and engineers working to solve the problems, and solutions are possible and these are things we should be embracing and encouraging. But the artificial timescale being forced on mankind will make sure those solutions never see the light of day because thay will be silenced in the rush to the cliff edge.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oldvatr, post: 2223708, member: 196898"] [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1607_Bristol_Channel_floods[/URL] The Somerset levels used to be under water permanently, as were most of Kent (Romney Marsh) and East Anglia (The Fens) and Norfolk (The Broads) Even in my life these were often threatened with flooding, and the town of Reculver near Margate was lost on one year in my life What happened is that man learned how to tame these marshlands and peatlands,and dry them out to reclaim them. We do the same in all our towns and villages: we ignore the land that our forebears learned to use as flood reservoirs and controlled with sluices and weirs, and that knowledge got lost in time. We abuse the land that nature provides. When I see the flooding pictures + the drone shots now show the water running on an ancient river valley where a town now stands, so it is not surprising that we now learn the bitter experience of nature reclaiming its own natural parthways. As was pointed out in this thread or another, King Canute was not too successful at commanding nature, Now we are hearing historic accounts of previous deluges that were occurring long before the anthroposcene era (i,e, the industrial age). So it is a natural part of the cycle, and is not the end of the world, Chicken Likken was wrong too. CO2 levels were previously higher, the earth was warmer and yet thermal runaway did not occur, in fact the earth cooled despite high CO2 levels. But just think of the energy we are pumping into the air from our modern life. Megawatts of heat, lots of water vapour which is the most potent of GHG. Now water vapour creates clouds that shield the sun, so having more rainclouds is part of the self regulation of the earth cycle. The warming of the oceans may not be as the scientists tell us to blame solely GHG. There are other influences such as pollution and algae that affect the waters too. We could possibly be barking up the wrong tree entirely, but unless we start taking stock and doing proper investigation instead of jumping around like lemmings then the industialists will win. There are a lot of scientists and engineers working to solve the problems, and solutions are possible and these are things we should be embracing and encouraging. But the artificial timescale being forced on mankind will make sure those solutions never see the light of day because thay will be silenced in the rush to the cliff edge. [/QUOTE]
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