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<blockquote data-quote="Oldvatr" data-source="post: 2224029" data-attributes="member: 196898"><p>That anomoly you mention opens up the debate IMHO in that did the atmosphere warm up and this caused the later release of CO2 some 800 years later, So was it the air warming up first or the ocean warming up? Chicken and egg. But different causal means for each alternative. Currently the interpretation is that it is the seas warming first, which could be the incorrect trigger mechanism. The greenhouse effect is that GHG traps heat in the atmosphere that warms the air first, but then one would expect the oceans to follow later due to latent heat capacity. But that is not what the ice cubes show.</p><p></p><p>I certainly support moves to reduce CO2 in the atmosphere, and the reduction of fossil fuel use. I am not convinved about the runaway catastrophe theory, and find some of the science being used to substantiate those claims to be flakey at best. We are rewriting the science manuals as we go and do not seem to be able to apply the time honoured verification and peer review process that was the backbone of scientific endeavour. We are in danger of replacing fact with fiction.</p><p></p><p>Not only is human kind in the balance, but also the complete animal kingdom too. We need to make sure we get this right not because some people with an agenda shout the loudest to scare us into panic knee jerk reaction. I believe there is time to sort things out in a measured and constructive way, not the destructive headlong flight of the Lemmings (yes they flew, briefly, it would seem)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oldvatr, post: 2224029, member: 196898"] That anomoly you mention opens up the debate IMHO in that did the atmosphere warm up and this caused the later release of CO2 some 800 years later, So was it the air warming up first or the ocean warming up? Chicken and egg. But different causal means for each alternative. Currently the interpretation is that it is the seas warming first, which could be the incorrect trigger mechanism. The greenhouse effect is that GHG traps heat in the atmosphere that warms the air first, but then one would expect the oceans to follow later due to latent heat capacity. But that is not what the ice cubes show. I certainly support moves to reduce CO2 in the atmosphere, and the reduction of fossil fuel use. I am not convinved about the runaway catastrophe theory, and find some of the science being used to substantiate those claims to be flakey at best. We are rewriting the science manuals as we go and do not seem to be able to apply the time honoured verification and peer review process that was the backbone of scientific endeavour. We are in danger of replacing fact with fiction. Not only is human kind in the balance, but also the complete animal kingdom too. We need to make sure we get this right not because some people with an agenda shout the loudest to scare us into panic knee jerk reaction. I believe there is time to sort things out in a measured and constructive way, not the destructive headlong flight of the Lemmings (yes they flew, briefly, it would seem) [/QUOTE]
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