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Seeking advice following T2 diagnosis

rogpt51

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I was diagnosed with T2 around 7 weeks ago, straight onto metformin and built up to 3 x 500mg within a few weeks. At diagnosis my fasting BG was 17.3 (!) have been struggling with the meds from feeling really good part of day to awful at other times especially late morning. Dose increased from yesterday to 2 x 500mg morning then same again b4 eve meal. Nearly all of my morning readings are still double figs range 10 - 14. I have always been v active but took my eye off diet and weight leading up to diagnosis - now addressing latter and half a stone gone in 7 weeks plus maintaining my range of sport activities - nurse doesnt regard me as too overweight albeit a bit more still to come off prob another half a stone. Feeling in the dark as to what I should reasonably expect to see in way of lowering BG towards desired ranges - can anyone help?
 
Hi Rog and welcome to the forum It is difficult to predict how your levels will come down as everyone is different and their levels do not behave the same. All you can do is look after your diet and exercise and watch the levels gradually come down. Metformin will decrease your levels by up to 2 mmol/l maximum. To help you to get going, here is some information written for new members by the former monitors and I hope you will see some results from following this advice. Ask as many questions as you like as we are all here to help.

 
Thx Daisy - am seeing my doc next week for an earlier than anticipated HB1AC do you think they will let me persevere with the metformin for a while to see if things improve or should I be preparing for myself for other treatments being introduced??
 
Two weeks is a short time, you will need longer to see more changes.

The weight loss is good, that will help.

A change from 17.3 to 10-14 is significant, remember this is not s sprint, it's a marathon!

So keep up the good work, and keep testing; Make a chart of your results and try and see what food affects you most. You might try cutting down on the amount of carbohydrates you eat at any one meal particularly breakfast.

If you do not see continuing improvements in a couple of weeks then something needs sorting.

That is where your doctor ot DSN needs to be involved, they might change meds or suggest a different diet or any number of things.

10 - 14 in the morning is still to high, but not of any major concern, after all it should only be for a few more weeks and things should improve. I bet your BGs were a lot higher for much longer before you were diagnosed!

Have you set any targets? Has you doc./DSN suggested any targets to aim for?

I aim for a fasting BG in the morning of 7 or less and maybe 8 or less two hours after a meal.

Just to restate the obvious, the amount and type of food you eat and excercise are the biggest factors in bringing your Bgs under control.

Give it a few weeks more and then maybe go and see your Doc again.

H
 
rogpt51 said:
I have always been v active but took my eye off diet and weight leading up to diagnosis - now addressing latter and half a stone gone in 7 weeks plus maintaining my range of sport activities

Hi rogpt51 and welcome to the forum, your 7lb weight loss in as many weeks is great and should help to decrease your insulin resistance (IR) which in turn will help to lower your blood glucose (BG) levels.

It is quite common for T2's to put on weight prior to diagnosis so it probably had nothing to do with you "taking you eye off diet and weight" it is merely a symptom of T2 diabetes, so dont beat your self up over it. Read the info in Daisy's post and start cutting back on the carbs bit by bit till you find the right level for you.
 
Thanks H & Sid v helpful - ref H's question at diagnosis I was set a morning target of 10 and once MF dose went up to 3 a day target range advised to me was between 4-7. I am a tall guy 6 foot 2 in height and now weighing 15 and a half stone - finding intial change in diet pretty hard but I read that MF suppresses your appetite anyway ie moving to porridge for brekkie plus banana, snacking on fruit, one round healthy wholemeal sandwich, plenty of tea and coffee with skimmed milk but prob still need to find eve meal recipes that work for me and non diabetic wife! I am still enjoying a few glasses of wine and now odd beer but within limits so not sure if alcohol needs to be cut out completely to help progress or whether moderation within rec limits is ok???!!!
 
Hi again, metformin at its max dose of 1000mg twice a day will only reduce bg by around 1 or 2 mmol/L so it is far from a magic bullet but it does have advantages and is considered a first line drug for T2's.

It works in three ways firstly it decreases the absorption of dietary carbohydrates through the intestines. Secondly it reduces the production of glucose by the liver. And thirdly and perhaps most importantly metformin increases the sensitivity of muscle cells to insulin.

In addition to these three main properties it helps suppress appetite and has also been shown to help prevent certain cancers.

Unfortunately it does have some side effects that can affect some people these may include stomach cramps, wind and or diarrhoea and is often referred to as Metfartin, I personally got cramps and wind but they went away after a few weeks, other people have worse experiences but there is also a slow release version Metformin SR which can be prescribed if the side effect bother you.

Porridge, some people find they can eat porridge others find they cant as it is quite high in carbs, I dont like porridge so for that reason I dont eat it, but testing before and 2 hours after eating it will tell you if it is OK for you or if you need to reduce the portion size or perhaps even not eat it at all, that said many diabetics find it a good breakfast. Bananas are also quite high in carbs and you may find that they are best eaten later in the day as a snack or after lunch rather than adding to an already carby breakfast, also most fruits are carby to a greater or lesser extent so again test, test and test again. I find I can eat a small apple for lunch and an orange after dinner but thats not to say it will be OK for you to do the same, everyone is different and you need to find your own diet plan that is OK for you.

Alcohol can have some strange effects on us diabetics beer can be quite high in carbs so will initially raise bg levels but when more than one or two are drunk and they fill the liver it stops regulating glucose while it is cleaning the alcohol from the blood at about 1 unit per hour so bg levels can drop quite fast, something to watch for if out on the
Sometimes it can be helpful to eat a snack while drinking or before bed after a few beers to help stabilise bg overnight although this is more of a problem for insulin users it is still good to know.

Wine is less carby and a glass or two of red wine has been reported by many, myself included to help reduce bg levels but obviously don't over do it

One last blah blah :lol: Bread, bread is often tricky and white breads of all kinds are often very bad for T2's who cant cover their food with insulin, wholemeal is not much better apart from having more fibre it is still very high in carbs but many find that wholegrain breads are kinder and are lower on the glycemic index (GI), Burgen linseed & soya bread is often tolerated well too again not by everyone so test, test, test.

I'm sure it all seems alot to take in but the more you read the clearer it will all become. Honest
 
Hi rog, and welcome to the mine of imformation, you are in the right place for any help,and advice,and well done with the weight loss, it gets easier, once you get into a regime, sid and others mention Bergen bread, it is such a nice bread i have actually converted non diabetics over to it ( maybe a bad move as the shops have sometimes sold out ) a great crew on here, and good luck,
 
Mine discovered just prior to operation. It was 21.3 on a Thursday, after overnight fast it dropped to 19.0. I was also put on Metformin and Gliclazide. It took six months to get down to acceptable levels for the operation SO as others have said don't panic or be panicked it is a long slow process and your doctor or nurse shouldn't rush you to switch to insulin. I have a very patient nurse and doctor fortunately who hae been very supportive. It sounds like you are very much on the right track. Keep up the good work.
Regards
Jeremy
 
Jeremy

Thanks for your comments - I am still getting morning readings first thing average around 11 for the last week and feeling more stable during day. Saw my doc this morning and he has put me on 80mg of Gliclazide twice a day to with my MF - told me they want to see single figs and has put a marker down at this early stage that I could need insulin once or twice a day to supplement the MF if the Gliclazide doesnt show a fairly quick improvement in BG readings, wants to see me again in around 3/4 weeks. Also warned me that if the Gliclazide works I need to be aware of poss lower BG especially as I do a fair bit of sport. Thanks for words of encouragement, trying to convince myself its one step at a time especially given what doc has foreshadowed today!! Regards Roger
 
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