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<blockquote data-quote="jjraak" data-source="post: 1976120" data-attributes="member: 493719"><p>Great post [USER=410240]@ringi[/USER]</p><p></p><p>not sure if we are descending FROM a mountain</p><p>OR</p><p>Climbing ONE..(i guess that depends on how we perceive each stage.)</p><p></p><p>For me, at this moment in time, it IS coming down from the top of SUGAR Mountain.</p><p></p><p>There are many routes, but i've chosen the stage by stage, rather then some of the keto abseiling some do..Lol</p><p></p><p>and THAT post of yours, for me is great advice to many starting out.</p><p></p><p>Why make it a miserable existence, for those like me, when we can stage it, and make it more</p><p>A) manageable</p><p>B) sustainable in the long term</p><p></p><p>I went from eating as i did (pre T2D . A lot, yeah way too much,..and cr*p choices, i know now )</p><p>to eating less, yeah way less (first DX)...And still cr*p choices, i know now..(thank you health 'Gurus'...<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> )</p><p></p><p>So when i came here, i was emaciated (at least it felt so ....<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite39" alt=":hilarious:" title="Hilarious :hilarious:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":hilarious:" /> ) and desperate for 'ANOTHER' way.</p><p>i now eat very well, AND i eat a lot ..( or so it seems..though i now think it's just got a lot easier to fill up on less food )</p><p></p><p>So</p><p>Stage 1 was Survival....Check.</p><p>stage 2 was advice on FOOD plans...check</p><p>stage 3 was LCHF...check</p><p>stage 4 was ARRIVE at CAMP 42HBA1c....check..<img src="http://www.rfownersclub.co.uk/images/smilies/eusa/dance.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>Stage 5 was heading for IF and OMAD...work in progress</p><p>Stage 6 Back at basecamp Sub40HBA1c...ETA unknown</p><p>Stage 7 Normal life..CANCELLED...</p><p>Stage 7a New destination "Better Normal Life 2.0 "</p><p></p><p>And for me the stepping stone there WAS the breakfast..</p><p></p><p>as you say, IT sustained me, it allowed me to eat, and let me see i COULD go further without feeling hungry then i thought possible on a low carb diet..</p><p>it helped me reduce the snacking i needed previously, to ward of the 'shakes' as i call them or hunger pangs, probably more correctly, but i did feel rough, whatever they are called.</p><p></p><p>It then gave me stability in my diet, and now i find i CAN and do miss the odd meal.</p><p>breakfast some days gets pushed right back to brunch time</p><p>i now regularly go 2MAD.</p><p>I do also now find that my "Eyes TOO big for belly"..</p><p>( as a chinese waiter once observed at the shameful amount of food we left)</p><p>is becoming an issue once more, BUT in a really GOOD way.</p><p></p><p>I've had occasion recently where i've loaded a plate up with greens etc, and two slice of gammon .</p><p>only to find i could not eat half of it..and felt full much earlier then expected..and that's continued.</p><p></p><p>I've taken to placing some meal in bowls..(i kid myself it's chinese-y <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> )..and that cuts down the portions as well.</p><p>tonight was spinach and some broccoli, with a few slices of prosciutto..and full, again.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" />.</p><p></p><p>So i fully support your idea,</p><p>* stabilize your diet, ( make base camp),</p><p>* seek advice (here, not there..you know where i mean <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll Eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> )</p><p>* then map your descent down the mountain</p><p>* set out at a steady pace, ( that helps reduces the risks of falls (fails <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite70" alt=":woot:" title="Woot :woot:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":woot:" />). )</p><p>* Make regular stops to check progress..( i found changes creep up, sort of unnoticed )</p><p>* keep in touch with SUPPORT TEAMS, let them know how your doing, so they don't worry and can offer guidance.</p><p></p><p>And hopefully, HOWEVER we get there...</p><p></p><p>We ALL get to the bottom, safe & sound..no frost bite (fingers and toes, and ALL bits in tact )</p><p>And ready for that BIG OLD BBQ on the beach...<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>[ NB: my original goal was lower HBA1c..AND weight loss.</p><p>and i had NO idea how that was going to be done.</p><p></p><p>Once i got on here, i stopped worrying about the weight loss,</p><p>i never even look at calories, it's ALL about the CARBS for me..</p><p>and the weight has just taken care of it's self...<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> ]</p><p></p><p>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jjraak, post: 1976120, member: 493719"] Great post [USER=410240]@ringi[/USER] not sure if we are descending FROM a mountain OR Climbing ONE..(i guess that depends on how we perceive each stage.) For me, at this moment in time, it IS coming down from the top of SUGAR Mountain. There are many routes, but i've chosen the stage by stage, rather then some of the keto abseiling some do..Lol and THAT post of yours, for me is great advice to many starting out. Why make it a miserable existence, for those like me, when we can stage it, and make it more A) manageable B) sustainable in the long term I went from eating as i did (pre T2D . A lot, yeah way too much,..and cr*p choices, i know now ) to eating less, yeah way less (first DX)...And still cr*p choices, i know now..(thank you health 'Gurus'...:rolleyes: ) So when i came here, i was emaciated (at least it felt so ....:hilarious: ) and desperate for 'ANOTHER' way. i now eat very well, AND i eat a lot ..( or so it seems..though i now think it's just got a lot easier to fill up on less food ) So Stage 1 was Survival....Check. stage 2 was advice on FOOD plans...check stage 3 was LCHF...check stage 4 was ARRIVE at CAMP 42HBA1c....check..[IMG]http://www.rfownersclub.co.uk/images/smilies/eusa/dance.gif[/IMG] Stage 5 was heading for IF and OMAD...work in progress Stage 6 Back at basecamp Sub40HBA1c...ETA unknown Stage 7 Normal life..CANCELLED... Stage 7a New destination "Better Normal Life 2.0 " And for me the stepping stone there WAS the breakfast.. as you say, IT sustained me, it allowed me to eat, and let me see i COULD go further without feeling hungry then i thought possible on a low carb diet.. it helped me reduce the snacking i needed previously, to ward of the 'shakes' as i call them or hunger pangs, probably more correctly, but i did feel rough, whatever they are called. It then gave me stability in my diet, and now i find i CAN and do miss the odd meal. breakfast some days gets pushed right back to brunch time i now regularly go 2MAD. I do also now find that my "Eyes TOO big for belly".. ( as a chinese waiter once observed at the shameful amount of food we left) is becoming an issue once more, BUT in a really GOOD way. I've had occasion recently where i've loaded a plate up with greens etc, and two slice of gammon . only to find i could not eat half of it..and felt full much earlier then expected..and that's continued. I've taken to placing some meal in bowls..(i kid myself it's chinese-y ;) )..and that cuts down the portions as well. tonight was spinach and some broccoli, with a few slices of prosciutto..and full, again.:D. So i fully support your idea, * stabilize your diet, ( make base camp), * seek advice (here, not there..you know where i mean :rolleyes: ) * then map your descent down the mountain * set out at a steady pace, ( that helps reduces the risks of falls (fails :woot:). ) * Make regular stops to check progress..( i found changes creep up, sort of unnoticed ) * keep in touch with SUPPORT TEAMS, let them know how your doing, so they don't worry and can offer guidance. And hopefully, HOWEVER we get there... We ALL get to the bottom, safe & sound..no frost bite (fingers and toes, and ALL bits in tact ) And ready for that BIG OLD BBQ on the beach...:D [ NB: my original goal was lower HBA1c..AND weight loss. and i had NO idea how that was going to be done. Once i got on here, i stopped worrying about the weight loss, i never even look at calories, it's ALL about the CARBS for me.. and the weight has just taken care of it's self...:) ] . [/QUOTE]
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