babsy2
Well-Known Member
- Messages
- 117
- Location
- North Somerset
- Type of diabetes
- Type 2
- Treatment type
- Tablets (oral)
- Dislikes
- Blood Tests Injections MRI Scans (particuarly) cooked white cabbage and Cornish Pasties
What we tend to forget is that courses have to cater for the lowest common denominator.Hi. First the range of diabetes types and states varies a lot so a course aimed at 'everyone' would not work. Like Ladybird64, I've never been offered a course and glad that I haven't as I've heard on this forum that they can vary from good to dire. To spend a week on a DAPHNE course would make my brain go soft; it's ridiculous. There are far too few diabetes experts and even fewer diet experts around to provide good training so the NHS must waste a lot of money with time-consuming and wasteful training. A lot of training could be provided by a mix of good brochures/books by real experts together with 1-day seminars where questions could be answered. The NICE Guidelines could form the basis for some of this information as overall the guidelines including this year's updates are good. The problem with the 'Government' which often means a weak mix of the NHS, DUK, Dieticians and other bodies is that it can be non-expert, politically correct and influenced by industry lobby groups.
I think we can both agree that any courses or information needs to be targeted at those who don't participate in forums or the Internet etc. However I still feel there aren't enough up to date experts around to adequately do that training. We've all seen posts on these forums where the 'loads of carbs mantra' has been preached so it's no surprise that the ill-informed have high HBa1Cs?What we tend to forget is that courses have to cater for the lowest common denominator.
Speaking purely for Type 1s here, when you consider that 56% of patients in the last National Diabetes Audit had an Hba1C between 7.5% and 10%, 27.3% were below 7.5%, only 7.5% were below 6.5% and 17% were more than 10%, then there is a greater requirement for courses to address the 73% rather than the 27.3%, given the DCCT complications indicators.
The whole point of the courses is to improve life for the far less engaged than those who are actively participating on the internet/in local groups. There are some 150,000 members of this forum, of which 15,000 should be T1 if the demographics of the forum match the population. The majority of those are reading rather than engaging. Based on the NDA data, there is no way that all of these watchers have an Hba1C in target. That's why the courses exist.
It's a much cheaper way to at least attempt to get everybody on track with better management of their diabetes. It's got an evidence base that demonstrates that it works (and one that shows better results than the evidence base for either pumps or CGM systems, which is admittedly a little sparse).
For those of us who have worked out how to manage our diabetes using principles that are essentially the same as DAFNE teaches, and have been doing it for years, then yes, they aren't a great deal of benefit. For those who struggle or are new to the condition, they can be life changing. The key addition they need is to introduce experienced practitioners of the principles they espouse and get those on the courses involved in the network of community support.
Whilst I've spoken mainly about T1s there, the reality is that the same applies for T2s.
The issue comes back to the question of the evidence base, and no-one has, as yet, produced enough of one to get the NHS and health bodies to change their recommendations. As long as that doesn't change, those who are employed by the authorities that have this mantra will continue to regurgitate it. Their livelihoods depend on it!I think we can both agree that any courses or information needs to be targeted at those who don't participate in forums or the Internet etc. However I still feel there aren't enough up to date experts around to adequately do that training. We've all seen posts on these forums where the 'loads of carbs mantra' has been preached so it's no surprise that the ill-informed have high HBa1Cs?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?