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Sliding Slowly Higher and Higher

MarkTechArc72

Member
Messages
10
Location
Clacton-on-sea
Type of diabetes
Treatment type
Insulin
Dislikes
High BG readings!
Hey everyone,

Happy New Year to all you folks on here.

Back in September 2013, I had a HbA1C and my BG average was 7.1, which my diabetic practitioner was more than pleased with, as I am bang on the "well controlled" range, but around this time, through (and I admit it) intermittent monitoring that I could see a gradual increase in my base numbers.

I have been on Lantus since December 2012 and continue to take Metformin and Gliclazide too.

Started on 10 units of Lantus an evening, and slowly dialled up to 12, which seemed to give me great control (and hence the results above).

Now, over Christmas I decided that I should be half sensible, and I should start monitoring again, as I want to make sure I get everything under control and the only way to know this is to make sure I know what is going on with the bloods.

I wish I had be living in ignorance!!! (I don't really).

I am struggling to get my overnight fast below 9, which is very strange for me. I would usually hit 6.5 overnight, and before lunch, I would be around 8, and before dinner. maybe 7.5.

I am now seeing early morning readings of 9+, and last night, before my insulin, I had a 24.6, which is the highest reading I have had ever.

It seems anything, and I mean anything I eat is sending my bloods high. Example was two days ago when I had a opening reading of 9.1, and I had two slices of toast for breakfast, and two hours later I was well over 13.

Help!!!!

Anyone else found that the Lantus just seems to "stop" working??

Really quite concerned at my levels, and looking for some support on how to try and turn this around.

Thanks all.

Mark.
 
Hi. I'm guessing but it may be that you actually have Late onset T1 that is still progressing or if you are much overweight perhaps your insulin resistance is increasing? Either way controlling carb should help if you are not already doing this. I'm surprised you weren't monitoring your blood sugar when on insulin; this is essential and a DVLA requirement if driving. Normally you would aim for your morning fasting blood sugar to be between 5 and 7mmol and you need to discuss adjusting your Lantus to achieve this with the GP. It may be that you need to move to a Basal/Bolus regime by adding a rapid insulin such as NovoRapid; do discuss this option with the GP. An HBa1C of 7.1 is too high and you should be aiming for somewhere between 6 & 7 max. BTW, most of us couldn't cope with 2 slices of toast for breakfast as it would send our blood sugar rocketing.
 
Hey everyone,

Happy New Year to all you folks on here.


Really quite concerned at my levels, and looking for some support on how to try and turn this around.

Thanks all.

Mark.

Morning,

I'm not on Lantus but I believe the dose of a long lasting insulin for Type 2s is half the body weight in Kilograms i.e. you find your body weight in Kgs and half of that figure is the dose.

Also your dose might not be lasting 24 hours despite it being claimed as a 24 hour coverage. You might experiment with splitting the dose to 2 x a day.

You might also want to think about your diet, remember you have lost the ability to process the glucose from carbohydrates so you have to moderate potatoes, bread, pastry, rice and pasta. Two slices of toast for breakfast is being very brave. Perhaps you should read Test, Review, Adjust by the Australian Type 2 Guru, Alan S, see below ...
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.co.uk/2006/10/test-review-adjust.html

As for rising fasting readings in the morning you might be experiencing the Dawn Phenomenon, there are threads about that on this support group if you search.

I'm surprised you are on Gliclazide and Insulin at the same time - the two are generally considered to be inimical.

You probably need an appointment with a Diabetic Specialist Nurse ( DSN ) ( NOT the Practice Nurse at your Doc's !!!) and/or a diabetologist/endo.( NOT your G.P.). Although as a Type 2 it might be difficult for you to get proper medical care.
 
Thanks everyone.

The new regime of testing 8 times a day (1 when I get up, 1 hour and 2 hours after each meal, and one before insulin at bed time) will reveal a lot, and I am now going to document every meal too, which is something I have not been doing.

The advice above (link) is really only common sense, but sometimes you cannot see the woods for the trees!

Basically, I think two things are going on:-

1 - I think taking a lot more care on the diet will help a lot, as although I am actively avoiding some carbs, and sources of sugar and glucose, I need to take this to the next level and micro manage my diet input.

2 - I had not appreciated that the Lantus although stated as 24 hour, could tail off. I shall speak to the Doctor/Diabetic team about splitting my dose into two parts, one at night and one 12 hours later.

BTW - I do test before driving - just was not testing at other times!

Thanks for the advice - I feel like I can try and take things back into control again, as I felt so down about it all this morning.

Mark.
 
Hi. Yes, neither Lantus nor Levemir last 24 hours although Lantus does better than Levemir. When I suggested splitting it, my DN recommended adding the rapid insulin instead which I was much happier with. I had to suggest to my DN to stop the Gliclazide when moving to insulin. I read a report online a year ago which suggested it can help a bit but only marginally and it seems daft to prod the pancreas when you're taking insulin anyway. I guess it can help if the pancreas is still producing some insulin but my full 320mg Glic did nothing anyway.
 
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