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<blockquote data-quote="xyzzy" data-source="post: 275790" data-attributes="member: 40343"><p>Well been out and just got in to see this. Agree with everything that's written in "feory". When I've thought about this my personal preference has always been to push "eat to your meter" ahead of any dietary recommendations. To me how you end up achieving "eat to your meter" is entirely a personal preference so for those like borofergie, librarisising, viv and mrs xyzzy its vlc, for Phoenix and Catherine Cherub its a more GI thing, for Sid its portion control, others it's the Newcastle thing and Grazer does his grass. For me the fundamental thing is the levels themselves more than any particular "diet" so I'm happy. As far as I can see each person makes a style choice out of personal preference and so long as we respect each other choices there shouldn't be an issue. The only "rule" each way has to comply to is the "eat to your meter" and be safe under 8 (7.8 or 8.5 don't care) after two hours.</p><p></p><p>Like swimmer I have never liked the term low carbing not just because it sounds like a fad diet but that like terms such as "GI" or "grams" or "BG" or even "carbohydrate" are likely to be pretty meaningless to a new member. Statements like "Don't eat a lot of rice", "Eat more veg", "Get a meter and test" etc. are far more useful. I think my latest newbie message just mentions one number "8" and tries to use the least diabetic jargon it can in its descriptions of what someone should do.</p><p></p><p>So what follows is my T2 view. I have no idea if the same message would apply for T1'sand T1.5's</p><p></p><p>My ultimate aim as a bit of an evangelist would be to see the adoption of a position statement that would emphasise a patient centred approach to management. Currently this is supoosed to happen anyway but in reality most patients only get to choose from a range of perceived valid options as presented by their gp or nurse. Critically I would like a new option to be added which would effectively be our position statement i.e some simple message that the patient might like to try a regime of "eat to your meter" Then under that "eat to your meter" heading some statements as to how best to achieve it in plain simple English. The wording of those statements would then implicitly impart the low carb and low gl/gi message without the reader having to know anything technical. </p><p></p><p>So at the top level i.e the diagnosing gp would see our position statement as an option to inform the newly diagnosed diabetic of.</p><p></p><p>For this forum it becomes the de-facto position statement of the forum membership and would be what new members got.</p><p></p><p>For this site I would personally like to see it become the de-facto position of the site as well so it would take priority over all other options and diets current presented. I can see the owners may want to have a say in that though! The way the main dietary pages of this site are presented always makes me smile. If you've ever looked it does present a range of diets and what each one means. However it does still to my mind, however apologetically, give preference to the NHS DUK position. I think it should have the same guts and conviction its forum members have. Given a low carb / low gi message is pushed as a perfectly good and the increasingly preferable method in lots of countries this site can easily justify advocating that same strength of message. To me it then puts pressure on DUK to adopt a similar stance or include our "option" itself.</p><p></p><p>Finally if we are serious about this then we should present Benedict with the idea. I would suggest a committee is formed that he would chair that has a range of members who so long as they support the basic "Eat to your meter" line can bring their own expertise to. Their objective should be to come up with the position statement. When its agreed the forum members should decide if it should be adopted as the statement given to new members and if so the statement should be taken to the site owners by Benedict and the committee to try and persuade them to adopt it at the site level.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="xyzzy, post: 275790, member: 40343"] Well been out and just got in to see this. Agree with everything that's written in "feory". When I've thought about this my personal preference has always been to push "eat to your meter" ahead of any dietary recommendations. To me how you end up achieving "eat to your meter" is entirely a personal preference so for those like borofergie, librarisising, viv and mrs xyzzy its vlc, for Phoenix and Catherine Cherub its a more GI thing, for Sid its portion control, others it's the Newcastle thing and Grazer does his grass. For me the fundamental thing is the levels themselves more than any particular "diet" so I'm happy. As far as I can see each person makes a style choice out of personal preference and so long as we respect each other choices there shouldn't be an issue. The only "rule" each way has to comply to is the "eat to your meter" and be safe under 8 (7.8 or 8.5 don't care) after two hours. Like swimmer I have never liked the term low carbing not just because it sounds like a fad diet but that like terms such as "GI" or "grams" or "BG" or even "carbohydrate" are likely to be pretty meaningless to a new member. Statements like "Don't eat a lot of rice", "Eat more veg", "Get a meter and test" etc. are far more useful. I think my latest newbie message just mentions one number "8" and tries to use the least diabetic jargon it can in its descriptions of what someone should do. So what follows is my T2 view. I have no idea if the same message would apply for T1'sand T1.5's My ultimate aim as a bit of an evangelist would be to see the adoption of a position statement that would emphasise a patient centred approach to management. Currently this is supoosed to happen anyway but in reality most patients only get to choose from a range of perceived valid options as presented by their gp or nurse. Critically I would like a new option to be added which would effectively be our position statement i.e some simple message that the patient might like to try a regime of "eat to your meter" Then under that "eat to your meter" heading some statements as to how best to achieve it in plain simple English. The wording of those statements would then implicitly impart the low carb and low gl/gi message without the reader having to know anything technical. So at the top level i.e the diagnosing gp would see our position statement as an option to inform the newly diagnosed diabetic of. For this forum it becomes the de-facto position statement of the forum membership and would be what new members got. For this site I would personally like to see it become the de-facto position of the site as well so it would take priority over all other options and diets current presented. I can see the owners may want to have a say in that though! The way the main dietary pages of this site are presented always makes me smile. If you've ever looked it does present a range of diets and what each one means. However it does still to my mind, however apologetically, give preference to the NHS DUK position. I think it should have the same guts and conviction its forum members have. Given a low carb / low gi message is pushed as a perfectly good and the increasingly preferable method in lots of countries this site can easily justify advocating that same strength of message. To me it then puts pressure on DUK to adopt a similar stance or include our "option" itself. Finally if we are serious about this then we should present Benedict with the idea. I would suggest a committee is formed that he would chair that has a range of members who so long as they support the basic "Eat to your meter" line can bring their own expertise to. Their objective should be to come up with the position statement. When its agreed the forum members should decide if it should be adopted as the statement given to new members and if so the statement should be taken to the site owners by Benedict and the committee to try and persuade them to adopt it at the site level. [/QUOTE]
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