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<blockquote data-quote="Bluemarine Josephine" data-source="post: 1112008" data-attributes="member: 213188"><p>Hello everyone!</p><p>Thank you very much for your very interesting comments.</p><p>Please, allow me to clarify that, I am not interested in veganism for religious reasons and also, I am not an activist trying to convert everyone into a vegan.</p><p></p><p>It so happened that about a month ago, I accidentally realized that a vegetarian/vegan type of diet gave me more positive results in relation to my diabetes and my insulin sensitivity.</p><p></p><p>During the process of googling (in an effort to educate myself) about the relation of carbohydrates, protein, vegan diet and type 1 diabetes, I came across some videos (you will find the links below in case you wish to watch them) which became an eye-opening experience for me.</p><p></p><p>At this point, veganism transformed into an ethical matter for me (instead of a dietary approach).</p><p>I am not advocating that everyone should do it.</p><p>I am not, even, advocating that it works. It has worked for me (just for me) for the past 1 month.</p><p>I do not know if it will continue to work well… if it will give me even better results… or worse.</p><p>It is, for the time being, an experiment which seems to have produced good and interesting results.</p><p></p><p>My persistence to continue working on it though, has recently transformed into an ethical matter, for me, as well and this is the reason why I truly want to make a serious effort to make veganism work for me.</p><p></p><p>Having said that, “Kristin 251” above states an interesting observation which I do share.</p><p>When my plate has carbohydrates only, my insulin ratios work like a dream.</p><p>When my plate has a combination of carbohydrates and animal protein, my ratios are messy (not tragic but, messy and somewhat inaccurate)</p><p></p><p>In my case, bolusing for protein is a difficult task and I will explain why with the following example:</p><p>Say I have lunch at 13:00, a combination of a normal, healthy portion of carbs and meat. I bolus for both carbs and meat.</p><p>By 15:00 I hypo and need to treat.</p><p>It is only by 16:00-16:30 that the protein starts to convert into sugar and my bg starts to rise (on top of treating the hypo earlier). Therefore, bolusing for protein is difficult because I cannot (until now) match the insulin peak with the timing that protein converts into sugar.</p><p></p><p>This is the reason why I thought about a month ago “let’s exclude animal protein, focus of finding the correct ratios for carbs first and then, continue from there.” And, this is how, through this experiment, I started flirting with veganism…</p><p></p><p>What I do not know (because I have not tried it yet) is if there is a difference between animal protein and vegetable protein (in the way they affect bg). This remains to be seen… (your experience with these though (tofu, quinoa, legumes) is very much wanted, please do share!!</p><p></p><p>I spoke to my DAFNE educator and nutritionist yesterday about my willingness to try to become a vegan.</p><p>Initially, I thought that she would be negative as she always says to me that I should never exclude dietary groups.</p><p>Surprisingly, she was very supportive of the vegan idea… She already booked an appointment for me so as for us to plan a strategy on how to gradually convert to veganism (using iron tablets as supplements along with a well planned diet) because, this is not a process that happens overnight.</p><p></p><p>I must admit to you that hearing from my nutritionist “If you want to do then, let’s go for it! I am fully supportive of veganism and your idea” was not the reaction that I was expecting…</p><p></p><p>Regarding veganism as an ethical choice,</p><p></p><p>I read that 75% of all animals are herbivores (which felt surprising to me.) I would never attempt to turn my dog into a herbivore as I know that it is in his nature (his DNA code as a species) to be a carnivore. However, regarding myself, I do wonder if we eat meat because it is in our genetic code as species or if we eat meat because he are conditioned (or educated) to do so from an early age…</p><p></p><p>I read somewhere that, according to the American Ministry of agriculture, if we all decided to turn vegans for 1 day, we would be able to feed the overall world population during that day… twice!</p><p></p><p>“Shar67” wrote above “I watched a programme on hunger a mother was feeding her children, boiled newspaper, it looked like porridge, she said it stopped that hollow feeling, can you imagine having to do that.</p><p>Here we are pondering giving up food, when there are babies with nothing.”</p><p></p><p>I do not intend to begin an argument, this is not my intention. (it is the diabetes management that I am interested in). However, "Shar67"s comment did tickle my mind a little bit...</p><p>Many people are starving in this world, this is very true. 50% of the world crops are cultivated and fed to the animals that you and I eat. This 50% of the crops is not given to the hungry people… these people eat newspapers to stop themselves from feeling hungry… the cows and the chickens and the turkeys that we eat, have never missed a meal… Therefore, the babies in the world have nothing to eat because that piece of cow on our plate ate their food so that it can be fat enough for you and me to enjoy it.</p><p></p><p>Thank you all very much for your comments and suggestions!</p><p>Please keep them coming!</p><p>This thread is very interesting to me!!</p><p></p><p>Regards</p><p>Josephine</p><p></p><p>P.S. Here is the link, for those who might be willing to understand why veganism became an ethical issue for me.</p><p><a href="http://www.nationearth.com/" target="_blank">http://www.nationearth.com/</a></p><p>and</p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]j9E-SmCDo-U[/MEDIA]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bluemarine Josephine, post: 1112008, member: 213188"] Hello everyone! Thank you very much for your very interesting comments. Please, allow me to clarify that, I am not interested in veganism for religious reasons and also, I am not an activist trying to convert everyone into a vegan. It so happened that about a month ago, I accidentally realized that a vegetarian/vegan type of diet gave me more positive results in relation to my diabetes and my insulin sensitivity. During the process of googling (in an effort to educate myself) about the relation of carbohydrates, protein, vegan diet and type 1 diabetes, I came across some videos (you will find the links below in case you wish to watch them) which became an eye-opening experience for me. At this point, veganism transformed into an ethical matter for me (instead of a dietary approach). I am not advocating that everyone should do it. I am not, even, advocating that it works. It has worked for me (just for me) for the past 1 month. I do not know if it will continue to work well… if it will give me even better results… or worse. It is, for the time being, an experiment which seems to have produced good and interesting results. My persistence to continue working on it though, has recently transformed into an ethical matter, for me, as well and this is the reason why I truly want to make a serious effort to make veganism work for me. Having said that, “Kristin 251” above states an interesting observation which I do share. When my plate has carbohydrates only, my insulin ratios work like a dream. When my plate has a combination of carbohydrates and animal protein, my ratios are messy (not tragic but, messy and somewhat inaccurate) In my case, bolusing for protein is a difficult task and I will explain why with the following example: Say I have lunch at 13:00, a combination of a normal, healthy portion of carbs and meat. I bolus for both carbs and meat. By 15:00 I hypo and need to treat. It is only by 16:00-16:30 that the protein starts to convert into sugar and my bg starts to rise (on top of treating the hypo earlier). Therefore, bolusing for protein is difficult because I cannot (until now) match the insulin peak with the timing that protein converts into sugar. This is the reason why I thought about a month ago “let’s exclude animal protein, focus of finding the correct ratios for carbs first and then, continue from there.” And, this is how, through this experiment, I started flirting with veganism… What I do not know (because I have not tried it yet) is if there is a difference between animal protein and vegetable protein (in the way they affect bg). This remains to be seen… (your experience with these though (tofu, quinoa, legumes) is very much wanted, please do share!! I spoke to my DAFNE educator and nutritionist yesterday about my willingness to try to become a vegan. Initially, I thought that she would be negative as she always says to me that I should never exclude dietary groups. Surprisingly, she was very supportive of the vegan idea… She already booked an appointment for me so as for us to plan a strategy on how to gradually convert to veganism (using iron tablets as supplements along with a well planned diet) because, this is not a process that happens overnight. I must admit to you that hearing from my nutritionist “If you want to do then, let’s go for it! I am fully supportive of veganism and your idea” was not the reaction that I was expecting… Regarding veganism as an ethical choice, I read that 75% of all animals are herbivores (which felt surprising to me.) I would never attempt to turn my dog into a herbivore as I know that it is in his nature (his DNA code as a species) to be a carnivore. However, regarding myself, I do wonder if we eat meat because it is in our genetic code as species or if we eat meat because he are conditioned (or educated) to do so from an early age… I read somewhere that, according to the American Ministry of agriculture, if we all decided to turn vegans for 1 day, we would be able to feed the overall world population during that day… twice! “Shar67” wrote above “I watched a programme on hunger a mother was feeding her children, boiled newspaper, it looked like porridge, she said it stopped that hollow feeling, can you imagine having to do that. Here we are pondering giving up food, when there are babies with nothing.” I do not intend to begin an argument, this is not my intention. (it is the diabetes management that I am interested in). However, "Shar67"s comment did tickle my mind a little bit... Many people are starving in this world, this is very true. 50% of the world crops are cultivated and fed to the animals that you and I eat. This 50% of the crops is not given to the hungry people… these people eat newspapers to stop themselves from feeling hungry… the cows and the chickens and the turkeys that we eat, have never missed a meal… Therefore, the babies in the world have nothing to eat because that piece of cow on our plate ate their food so that it can be fat enough for you and me to enjoy it. Thank you all very much for your comments and suggestions! Please keep them coming! This thread is very interesting to me!! Regards Josephine P.S. Here is the link, for those who might be willing to understand why veganism became an ethical issue for me. [URL]http://www.nationearth.com/[/URL] and [MEDIA=youtube]j9E-SmCDo-U[/MEDIA] [/QUOTE]
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