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<blockquote data-quote="Kristin251" data-source="post: 1112372" data-attributes="member: 240838"><p>Maybe that's why I found the lower carb I am the better I can control with protein. As you said, the timing of protein is much later when carbs are on the plate but gluconeogenisis proceeds much more rapidly in the absence of carbs.. If I eat more carbs than some simple lettuce celery and radish I lose steady control. I don't digest carbs well so veg/ vegan is not an option but I also don't eat a ton of protein. As far as fat is concerned, I have reduced dietary fat to reduce body fat and had to reduce insulin in half so it definately plays a roll. However I also think the type of fat makes a big difference. Olive oil doesn't effect anything, saturated fat has the biggest effect. Mayo is good and nuts and seeds are good but avocado is the best. It keeps me very stead. No ups or downs. Yesterday I had my normal salmon wrap with no side of guac and I popped up. With guac I stay exactly the same or even drop a bit. I can't be sure of plant protein has the same effect as I have never done a detailed experiment but info know nuts and seeds will not spike me like animal protein. I don't eat beans anymore because they did spike me but if I were blousing for the carbs in the beans I would think ( again not sure) that would also cover the protein. Now add the rice to the beans to make a complete protein and I would run really fast haha. </p><p>This has kind of shown me even more why if I want to eat protein it is too difficult to eat carbs and get insulin timing right. Now keep in mind I am OCD about insulin and my BS. I am very sensative to insulin and feel any movement in my bs so when I say steady, I mean I like to stay between 80 and 90. I can still feel that sometimes. This is why I eat the exact same macros at meals every day. Stop the fluctuations. </p><p></p><p>I find this whole thread interesting and confirms so many things for me</p><p>I wish you well on your journey and I too will be following it. I am curious as to how it plays out. If I could digest all the wonderful vegan/ veg foods I would gladly go there but it's not gonna happen for me. </p><p></p><p>Please keep us posted</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kristin251, post: 1112372, member: 240838"] Maybe that's why I found the lower carb I am the better I can control with protein. As you said, the timing of protein is much later when carbs are on the plate but gluconeogenisis proceeds much more rapidly in the absence of carbs.. If I eat more carbs than some simple lettuce celery and radish I lose steady control. I don't digest carbs well so veg/ vegan is not an option but I also don't eat a ton of protein. As far as fat is concerned, I have reduced dietary fat to reduce body fat and had to reduce insulin in half so it definately plays a roll. However I also think the type of fat makes a big difference. Olive oil doesn't effect anything, saturated fat has the biggest effect. Mayo is good and nuts and seeds are good but avocado is the best. It keeps me very stead. No ups or downs. Yesterday I had my normal salmon wrap with no side of guac and I popped up. With guac I stay exactly the same or even drop a bit. I can't be sure of plant protein has the same effect as I have never done a detailed experiment but info know nuts and seeds will not spike me like animal protein. I don't eat beans anymore because they did spike me but if I were blousing for the carbs in the beans I would think ( again not sure) that would also cover the protein. Now add the rice to the beans to make a complete protein and I would run really fast haha. This has kind of shown me even more why if I want to eat protein it is too difficult to eat carbs and get insulin timing right. Now keep in mind I am OCD about insulin and my BS. I am very sensative to insulin and feel any movement in my bs so when I say steady, I mean I like to stay between 80 and 90. I can still feel that sometimes. This is why I eat the exact same macros at meals every day. Stop the fluctuations. I find this whole thread interesting and confirms so many things for me I wish you well on your journey and I too will be following it. I am curious as to how it plays out. If I could digest all the wonderful vegan/ veg foods I would gladly go there but it's not gonna happen for me. Please keep us posted [/QUOTE]
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