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<blockquote data-quote="Diamattic" data-source="post: 1116978" data-attributes="member: 138639"><p>Veganism / Vegetarianism is right up there on the list of things people just should not discuss casually - Politics, Religion, Money and Meat it seems lol</p><p></p><p>Most animals are herbivores or omnivores but that is just how the system works - you have to have more prey then predators, if it was the other way around numbers would plummet.. </p><p></p><p>Also, domesticated dogs and cats are not a pure carnivores, they can live on a diet of meat and non-meat - as we see when we look at the 'filler' used in their foods and table scraps they eat, treats, etc... </p><p></p><p>In short - the argument that humans are 'supposed to eat meat' is still heavily contested. If you compare our teeth and jaws to herbivores we have more in common them with carnivores - many flat, short teeth for grinding, and the fact that we must COOK our meat before ingesting makes a clear case that we are not carnivores by design but by preference. If you look at the history of mankind and how long we have been cooking and eating meat and that it does serve a beneficial purpose to our health (and taste to some) it's clear that we are just run of the mill Omnivores we adapt to eat whatever is available. </p><p></p><p>So no contest here - any human is free to eat meat, or not eat meat at their will, as they please, and just like any other diet as long as it is balanced they will lead a health life.</p><p></p><p>I have known many people, and there are many people all over the world who NEVER eat meat, they spend their whole lives never eating any meat and are healthy and happy - its as normal to them as eating meat is to you. </p><p></p><p>I think the problem with discussions like this lay more in the psychology of the material - people feel defensive when someone chooses to exclude from their lives something that they love so much. You saying "I will never do that again" can make some people upset because they do it all they time. This can lead them to feel personally offended by your choice, and in some cases as if you declare it 'not good enough' - which is not the case. You will run into people who unconsciously think this way, its not their fault but a natural reaction to something that is statistically unusual, so its best to keep the talk of these 'crazy' things on the hush lol </p><p></p><p>You will find its actually worse when you AREN'T giving up meat for religious/ethical reasons because most people i have told - that i gave up meat because I didn't like the taste - freak out and try and convert ME to eating meat, all while complaining about vegans and how they are so annoying trying to convert people lol </p><p></p><p>The best thing to do is exclude labels. Do not call yourself a vegan or a vegetarian, don't try to 'follow the rules' of these practices - just find what works for you and do it. If you are out to dinner you don't have to announce your vegetarian, just don't order a meat dish, or politely turn it down. </p><p></p><p>Yeah - That's the short post lol</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Diamattic, post: 1116978, member: 138639"] Veganism / Vegetarianism is right up there on the list of things people just should not discuss casually - Politics, Religion, Money and Meat it seems lol Most animals are herbivores or omnivores but that is just how the system works - you have to have more prey then predators, if it was the other way around numbers would plummet.. Also, domesticated dogs and cats are not a pure carnivores, they can live on a diet of meat and non-meat - as we see when we look at the 'filler' used in their foods and table scraps they eat, treats, etc... In short - the argument that humans are 'supposed to eat meat' is still heavily contested. If you compare our teeth and jaws to herbivores we have more in common them with carnivores - many flat, short teeth for grinding, and the fact that we must COOK our meat before ingesting makes a clear case that we are not carnivores by design but by preference. If you look at the history of mankind and how long we have been cooking and eating meat and that it does serve a beneficial purpose to our health (and taste to some) it's clear that we are just run of the mill Omnivores we adapt to eat whatever is available. So no contest here - any human is free to eat meat, or not eat meat at their will, as they please, and just like any other diet as long as it is balanced they will lead a health life. I have known many people, and there are many people all over the world who NEVER eat meat, they spend their whole lives never eating any meat and are healthy and happy - its as normal to them as eating meat is to you. I think the problem with discussions like this lay more in the psychology of the material - people feel defensive when someone chooses to exclude from their lives something that they love so much. You saying "I will never do that again" can make some people upset because they do it all they time. This can lead them to feel personally offended by your choice, and in some cases as if you declare it 'not good enough' - which is not the case. You will run into people who unconsciously think this way, its not their fault but a natural reaction to something that is statistically unusual, so its best to keep the talk of these 'crazy' things on the hush lol You will find its actually worse when you AREN'T giving up meat for religious/ethical reasons because most people i have told - that i gave up meat because I didn't like the taste - freak out and try and convert ME to eating meat, all while complaining about vegans and how they are so annoying trying to convert people lol The best thing to do is exclude labels. Do not call yourself a vegan or a vegetarian, don't try to 'follow the rules' of these practices - just find what works for you and do it. If you are out to dinner you don't have to announce your vegetarian, just don't order a meat dish, or politely turn it down. Yeah - That's the short post lol [/QUOTE]
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