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<blockquote data-quote="Brunneria" data-source="post: 2279962" data-attributes="member: 41816"><p>Hi Jo</p><p>Sorry you are in this situation.</p><p>I can't really speak to you on extended fasting, because it isn't something that my body gets on well with, both physically and emotionally.</p><p></p><p>However, a few other things from your post jump out to me.</p><p></p><p>Have you had a FULL thyroid panel done? And if so, is your doc up to interpreting it?</p><p>The normal (cheap) thyroid tests done here in the UK (no idea what is done for you, where you are) do NOT tell the whole story, and a surprising number of even highly qualified endocrinologists fail to understand what the full panel results mean. Or how to treat the various issues shown.</p><p>I know that [USER=345386]@DCUKMod[/USER] has had some useful information by visiting thyroid forums.</p><p></p><p>If the weight around your middle comes back in a single weekend of adding in a third meal a day, then it is not gaining the weight back. Weight does not go on like that after one or two extra keto meals. Something else is happening causing inflammation, water retention, or something. You may be having a reaction to something (you mention fish). My guts object if I overload on eggs. And gluten (and there is gluten in even some keto foods). Also FODMAPS. Fasting is fab, partly because it is a total elimination diet. But if you just go back to eating exactly what you were eating before, then you could just be walking back into the same situation. I suggest that you reintroduce foods systematically, starting with a single food that you are sure you tolerate well.</p><p></p><p>Also, maybe - just maybe - it would be worth asking for investigations into more than your thyroid.</p><p>The endocrine system works together, with different glands working in concert, and an imbalance in the hormonal production in one gland can have serious implications to other glands. The pituitary gland is known as the master gland, acting like a conductor to the other members of the orchestra, such as the ovaries, adrenals and thyroid.</p><p>In my own case I have a benign tumour of the pituitary gland (partially treated). This means that it pumps out too much prolactin, which has all sorts of implications to my weight, appetite, and a few other things. Likewise, I have a benign tumour (untreated) in one of my adrenals, which (I think) is also affecting my dawn phenomenon and stress hormone reactions. The increased hormonal output from my pituitary and one of my adrenals doesn't happen in a vacuum. It has widespread knock on effect elsewhere, and my hormonal system is kinda wacky, from PCOS (cause? effect? unrelated?). My thyroid always tests 'normal' on the standard cheap tests. I don't believe it for a second, but frankly, in my case, <em><strong>at the moment</strong></em>, that is the least of my problems. Things can always change in the future <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> My point is that they all interact, and the pituitary pulls the strings. Or doesn't.</p><p></p><p>Why am I telling you this?</p><p>Not because I think you have the same issues as me.</p><p>But because keeping the hormonal system balanced is like a plate spinner, keeping 20+ plates spinning at any one time.</p><p>If something goes out of wack, as your thyroid has, then everything else goes into flux, reshuffles, and attempts to compensate. And a new balance is found. But this places strain on other things.</p><p></p><p>In your place, I would be asking for some very comprehensive tests (my tumours were found on an MRI, and since then the endocrinologists have only focused on the biggest problem (the pituitry), and have never shown the slightest interest in dealing with the other issues that I have to deal with daily, which are knock on effects of the wacky plate spinning my body is required to do.</p><p></p><p>Hope that makes sense.</p><p>In reality, I have no idea how to get an orthodox health team to treat a multifaceted problem as a holistic problem, since I have never experienced such treatment. Every time I get a referral to an expert, their area of expertise just looks at one area, not the whole, and when I try to connect the dots they just say 'outside my area, you would need to see a ....... for that'. I have had better results from alternative practitioners, who have a lot less tunnel vision.</p><p></p><p>Also, you mentioned Vit D.</p><p>low Vit D is known to influence weight, and make weight loss very difficult.</p><p>At this time of year, you can supplement your diet with actual sun.</p><p>My understanding is that the body can generate 50,000 units of vit D by sitting outside on a sunny day.</p><p>That is far more than you can get from a home use supplement.</p><p>Just for heaven's sake don't burn! As soon as your skin turns pink, the vit D production shuts down and your skin switches to damage control. Start with 5 mins a day, and see what happens. In my case, the more Vit D reserves I have, the longer it takes for the burning to start.</p><p></p><p>Hope that helps.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brunneria, post: 2279962, member: 41816"] Hi Jo Sorry you are in this situation. I can't really speak to you on extended fasting, because it isn't something that my body gets on well with, both physically and emotionally. However, a few other things from your post jump out to me. Have you had a FULL thyroid panel done? And if so, is your doc up to interpreting it? The normal (cheap) thyroid tests done here in the UK (no idea what is done for you, where you are) do NOT tell the whole story, and a surprising number of even highly qualified endocrinologists fail to understand what the full panel results mean. Or how to treat the various issues shown. I know that [USER=345386]@DCUKMod[/USER] has had some useful information by visiting thyroid forums. If the weight around your middle comes back in a single weekend of adding in a third meal a day, then it is not gaining the weight back. Weight does not go on like that after one or two extra keto meals. Something else is happening causing inflammation, water retention, or something. You may be having a reaction to something (you mention fish). My guts object if I overload on eggs. And gluten (and there is gluten in even some keto foods). Also FODMAPS. Fasting is fab, partly because it is a total elimination diet. But if you just go back to eating exactly what you were eating before, then you could just be walking back into the same situation. I suggest that you reintroduce foods systematically, starting with a single food that you are sure you tolerate well. Also, maybe - just maybe - it would be worth asking for investigations into more than your thyroid. The endocrine system works together, with different glands working in concert, and an imbalance in the hormonal production in one gland can have serious implications to other glands. The pituitary gland is known as the master gland, acting like a conductor to the other members of the orchestra, such as the ovaries, adrenals and thyroid. In my own case I have a benign tumour of the pituitary gland (partially treated). This means that it pumps out too much prolactin, which has all sorts of implications to my weight, appetite, and a few other things. Likewise, I have a benign tumour (untreated) in one of my adrenals, which (I think) is also affecting my dawn phenomenon and stress hormone reactions. The increased hormonal output from my pituitary and one of my adrenals doesn't happen in a vacuum. It has widespread knock on effect elsewhere, and my hormonal system is kinda wacky, from PCOS (cause? effect? unrelated?). My thyroid always tests 'normal' on the standard cheap tests. I don't believe it for a second, but frankly, in my case, [I][B]at the moment[/B][/I], that is the least of my problems. Things can always change in the future ;) My point is that they all interact, and the pituitary pulls the strings. Or doesn't. Why am I telling you this? Not because I think you have the same issues as me. But because keeping the hormonal system balanced is like a plate spinner, keeping 20+ plates spinning at any one time. If something goes out of wack, as your thyroid has, then everything else goes into flux, reshuffles, and attempts to compensate. And a new balance is found. But this places strain on other things. In your place, I would be asking for some very comprehensive tests (my tumours were found on an MRI, and since then the endocrinologists have only focused on the biggest problem (the pituitry), and have never shown the slightest interest in dealing with the other issues that I have to deal with daily, which are knock on effects of the wacky plate spinning my body is required to do. Hope that makes sense. In reality, I have no idea how to get an orthodox health team to treat a multifaceted problem as a holistic problem, since I have never experienced such treatment. Every time I get a referral to an expert, their area of expertise just looks at one area, not the whole, and when I try to connect the dots they just say 'outside my area, you would need to see a ....... for that'. I have had better results from alternative practitioners, who have a lot less tunnel vision. Also, you mentioned Vit D. low Vit D is known to influence weight, and make weight loss very difficult. At this time of year, you can supplement your diet with actual sun. My understanding is that the body can generate 50,000 units of vit D by sitting outside on a sunny day. That is far more than you can get from a home use supplement. Just for heaven's sake don't burn! As soon as your skin turns pink, the vit D production shuts down and your skin switches to damage control. Start with 5 mins a day, and see what happens. In my case, the more Vit D reserves I have, the longer it takes for the burning to start. Hope that helps. [/QUOTE]
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