Yes this is my worry too. Around 10ish years ago I switched to healthier eating largely because of the effects of sweeteners on my body. I buy the full sugar version of squash now as it has less harmful additives. I rarely drink it myself, but if I do I can account for the carbs in it in my daily quota. It's staggering just how many full sugar drinks have sweeteners as well. I can only find one in my local supermarket that doesn't contains some sort of artificial sweetener. I dread to think of the future health problems we are storing up for ourselves as a nation if everyone switches to sugar free products and consumes even more chemicals. Sugar is bad, but I'm not sure diet drinks are any better. I was addicted to them for several years and they helped me on my way to becoming obese.I actually worry on a different note... The UK needs to lead the way ensuring that the "diet" drinks are going to limit the Aspartame. I only speak from my experience that I am crippled from Aspartame / sweetener intake....I've also seen an anorexic young lady absolutely addicted to the drink..
Sweeteners are also recognised as having problems with increasing appetite for sweet food.
Perhaps an incentive to advertisers and the plain simple water would be good..
You have not indicated any diagnosis, so I must presume you are not yet a full member of the Diabetes club? If you get a diagnosis of diabetes by a doctor, then you will be eligible to reclaim the VAT tax on consumables and equipment necessary for your care, provided these items are uniquely essential to someone with your condition. Thus, test strips are allowed, but Lucozade is not since anyone can buy and use it. My mobility scooter qualifies, but my car does not.I tend to steer clear of the shakes. My son is 9 and so quick meals between activities are required. Mostly we eat healthy. I do sense an air of desperation from the Chancellor. He has no where to go, the additional tax I pay on the sensors gets my back up. I feel I am and will continue to be a burden on the health service unless they get a cure for T1.
I am happy to take the place of the poor mice I keep reading about.
Hi @Nuck I see you are eligible for VAT exemption. I take it the sensor you talk about is something like a Libre or other CGM device. Otherwise you should be able to get test consumables (i.e. strips) on scrip from your GP or Diabetic specialist.
Hi@Nuck , I agree with @Oldvatr - but your post reads like you are type 1? Anyway, any D diagnosis should qualify you for exemptions from paying VAT on CGM or libre sensors and the retailers supplying them are usually pretty good at highlighting this and providing instructions/the forms to fill in so you don't pay the VAT when purchasing. Is it different sensors you are talking about? Or maybe different tax?
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I am a Type 1 when I spoke to them they said I needed to be registered as disabled. However, having read the HMRC guide lines I think I can argue its a chronic disease. I will follow this up.
It is classed as chronic disease. It is recognised as such by HMRC. You do not need to provide proof when you claim VAT exemption, but they may follow up if there is an audit.Hi
I am a Type 1 when I spoke to them they said I needed to be registered as disabled. However, having read the HMRC guide lines I think I can argue its a chronic disease. I will follow this up.
therein lies one of the greatest misconceptions of people with type ! -- do you think any of us try to get hypos ?It seems reasonable to assume that as a formerly diagnosed T2, non-medicated - for anything, without any form of condition (thankfully) to qualify me for an exemption certificate, I will have a differing viewpoint to those with T1 or serious co-morbidities, but it strikes me that a bit of expanded thinking could be useful in certain instances.
Having never knowingly had a hypo, and certainly never a serious one, I cannot know what it feels like to do so, however surely if an individual is experiencing very frequent hypos that needs to be addressed by other means than drinking sugary drinks? I don't necessarily mean during the hypo itself, but a review of the preventative steps the individual could employ, whether that be diet, medication, testing or any other relevant factors.
Where I have greatest issue is where individuals are looking for support for their preferred way of managing their blood sugars during regular exercise and the like. I find it much harder to oooooooze much empathy there. That an individual chooses to exercise is clearly good, but again, if hypos, or near hypos, are being induced by the exercise, could there be an alternative to necessarily a fizzy drink - whether by exploring earlier feeding or drinking non-taxable fluids?
I have trouble finding drinks without sweeteners for Mr Chris who can sniff out saccharine/aspartame etc at 50 paces. Every time I buy squash or similar I have to read labels to make sure. Mind you it's quite useful when we're out & I get full fat instead of Diet Coke, he can tell by the smell it's wrongYes this is my worry too. Around 10ish years ago I switched to healthier eating largely because of the effects of sweeteners on my body. I buy the full sugar version of squash now as it has less harmful additives. I rarely drink it myself, but if I do I can account for the carbs in it in my daily quota. It's staggering just how many full sugar drinks have sweeteners as well. I can only find one in my local supermarket that doesn't contains some sort of artificial sweetener. I dread to think of the future health problems we are storing up for ourselves as a nation if everyone switches to sugar free products and consumes even more chemicals. Sugar is bad, but I'm not sure diet drinks are any better. I was addicted to them for several years and they helped me on my way to becoming obese.
therein lies one of the greatest misconceptions of people with type ! -- do you think any of us try to get hypos ?
the vast majority of people on this forum that are type 1 will not see this as helpful and I think you should try to talk with some t1's either in PM or engage on some of the T1 sub forums before making such broad statements
I used to have this problem with my daughter, who hates anything that adulterates the natural taste of the manna from heaven that is table sugar. However, when I switched to a sucralose tab, she tried one, and NOW she prefers it to sugar, You never can tell. She has Earl Grey tea with 1 tab where she used to have it with half small tsp of sugar. makes my life simpler.I have trouble finding drinks without sweeteners for Mr Chris who can sniff out saccharine/aspartame etc at 50 paces. Every time I buy squash or similar I have to read labels to make sure. Mind you it's quite useful when we're out & I get full fat instead of Diet Coke, he can tell by the smell it's wrong
I am copying your post because I like it so much, I think it is relevant to the discussion here, It correlates to my experiences among my T1 friends.Nothing nicer than a feast icecream (ok-its 20 carbs-a little OTT) when hypo...
I just can't believe that I'm the only one that doesn't stick to horrible lucozade and that I actually treat myself!!
Next to my bed I have sugar cubes but also kendal tablet..
Kendal tablet needs less than a 1cm square to stave off a hypo and just sits in a paper bag... Even at night if hypo I count it as a treat... And that means no faffing around unscrewing bottles tops and gulping too much.
Years ago when I had unrecognised night hypo hubby just got milk n sugar in a tommee tippee mug for me..-again easy peasy... And I will take it like a baby..
I don't know why people are so riled up about tax on lucozade. Its beyond me...
I just can't believe that I'm the only one that doesn't stick to horrible lucozade and that I actually treat myself!!
I'm not suggesting anyone is trying to have hypos. What I am saying is that should anyone find themselves having many hypos they should seek help in an attempt to minimize that occurrence, moving forward. Mrs Vimes, who is T1 understood this, so I can't have been all that oblique.
To be clear, the main issue I have with a broad brush stroke exemption for anyone in this (assuming it happens) is where there appears to be an expectation the supply of exempt fizzy drinks would be available to support lifestyle choices, such as hypo inducing exercise.
For the avoidance of doubt, I have been doubly fortunate never to have had to claim benefits, nor to qualify for any form of prescription exemptions - except when I was a minor. I don't grudge a penny of my share of the taxes supporting those who are less fortunate than me, but to expect those of us, both fortunate enough and motivated enough to be able manage our condition without pharmaceutical support to underpin another individual's choice to go to the gym is little beyond my altruistic desire.
Yep, I'm with you. I have diabetes, sometimes my sugars will drop to the low 4s. Depending on what I am doing I may have 1 swig of lucozade or a 4g glucotablet. The tablets are easier to carry but the bottle is definitely faster. But it's like non-diabetics refuelling. They won't get exemptions for whatever they choose to refuel with.I'm not suggesting anyone is trying to have hypos. What I am saying is that should anyone find themselves having many hypos they should seek help in an attempt to minimize that occurrence, moving forward. Mrs Vimes, who is T1 understood this, so I can't have been all that oblique.
To be clear, the main issue I have with a broad brush stroke exemption for anyone in this (assuming it happens) is where there appears to be an expectation the supply of exempt fizzy drinks would be available to support lifestyle choices, such as hypo inducing exercise.
For the avoidance of doubt, I have been doubly fortunate never to have had to claim benefits, nor to qualify for any form of prescription exemptions - except when I was a minor. I don't grudge a penny of my share of the taxes supporting those who are less fortunate than me, but to expect those of us, both fortunate enough and motivated enough to be able manage our condition without pharmaceutical support to underpin another individual's choice to go to the gym is little beyond my altruistic desire.
@donnellysdogs I used to treat myself but would eat the whole bleedin box. Now I use lucozade and glucotablets which are disgusting so I don't respond to the eat all of the fridge urge! I justified half a tub of Ben and Jerries doing this once.
To be clear, the main issue I have with a broad brush stroke exemption for anyone in this (assuming it happens) is where there appears to be an expectation the supply of exempt fizzy drinks would be available to support lifestyle choices, such as hypo inducing exercise
An exemption, if properly available & implemented for hypo treatments, wouldn't require any support from your taxes. I can't see anyone is asking for you to pay for their hypo treatments. As far as I'm aware they aren't available on script. If an exemption were to be available, it would just mean a tiny bit less would go into the pot gained from the sugar tax.
It seems counter intuitive to suggest that a public health measure designed to reduce obesity should stop/adversly impact on insulin dependant diabetics engaging in the lifestyle choice of keeping active & exercising.
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