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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mangobe" data-source="post: 780687" data-attributes="member: 22581">This thread has become so reminiscent of debates over theism! With comments from the believers on the one side, holding onto their faith - for which read 'hope for a cure', and rebuttals from the agnostics & atheists on the other side, declaring their 'realism' is not pessimism but a happily objective state!I'm in the atheist camp myself, but think there is a bit more to [USER=86237]@BigRedSwitch[/USER]'s point about pedantry & the difference between a cure and a treatment that underlies this dispute. If you define these terms very carefully you will probably find that everyone wants and hopes for an effective treatment, but some people would like to call this hoped for treatment a cure.</blockquote>

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