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<blockquote data-quote="Melgar" data-source="post: 2744319" data-attributes="member: 520626"><p>Great discussion [USER=585131]@Chris24Main[/USER] and thanks for the questions [USER=569488]@Bcgirl[/USER] . Firstly, your quote from Ancel Keys : </p><p></p><p>“<em>There’s no connection whatsoever between cholesterol in food and cholesterol in the blood. None. And we’ve known that all along. Cholesterol in the diet doesn’t matter at all unless you happen to be a chicken or a rabbit.”</em></p><p></p><p> I could not agree more. My cholesterol was high no matter what I ate or did. It had nothing to do with food. My Triglycerides are very low. I tried to get to the bottom of why my Cholesterol was high yet my Triglycerides very low. I tended to see these two as linked in someway. If you have high cholesterol, then high Triglycerides will seen. Well that’s patently not so. There was no satisfactory answer upon digging. (That’s where I got don’t go below 0.40 for your Trigs) The simplest explanations for the imbalance were given as low fat diets to the more complex reasoning ending up with autoimmune issues. The lean hyper responder model fit until it didn’t. When I left my very low carb diet behind and started to eat carbs my cholesterol remained high.</p><p>Dare I say this, technically you are in the same position as me, until I started statins, high cholesterol, very low Triglycerides. Ketones in pee. At its crudest of course.</p><p></p><p>[USER=569488]@Bcgirl[/USER] if you don’t mind me asking what are your Triglycerides at ? </p><p></p><p>[USER=585131]@Chris24Main[/USER] you are in ketosis , I am not. You eat low carb and high fats, I eat no fats and gain my energy source from carbs, because I cannot effectively deal with fats. Your energy is from being in a fat adapted state. What’s the connection? Now, your blood sugars are great. Mine are not. My lab fasting blood sugars were 5.8 mmol/ls after 14 hours fasted. The lab range, interestingly stated, after a 14 hour fast, should be between 3.3 - 5.5 mmol/ls. So I was outside of the lab range also I’m on blood sugar lowering meds. I’m assuming your blood sugars after 14 hours of no food would be significantly lower. As an aside I was surprised to see the lab range dipping as low as 3.3 mmol/ls which suggests 3.3 is perfectly acceptable whilst being in a fasted state of that duration. I had my C-Peptides taken at the same time. I haven’t had then done for over 3 years. I’m keen to know how much insulin resistance I’m carrying. Has it gone up, stated the same, or gone down. </p><p></p><p>I’m assuming your C-Peptides are low. I’m awaiting my lab results.</p><p></p><p>One thing I have noticed, if I eat very few carbs on a particular day, I’m very reactive to them the following day. I’m sure that is true for everyone. A question arises from that simple statement, does this mean that people on a very low carb diet become intolerant of carbs in the long term? </p><p></p><p>Oh, I’ve ordered some coenzyme Q10 from Amazon, although I am not feeling any side effects from the statins.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Melgar, post: 2744319, member: 520626"] Great discussion [USER=585131]@Chris24Main[/USER] and thanks for the questions [USER=569488]@Bcgirl[/USER] . Firstly, your quote from Ancel Keys : “[I]There’s no connection whatsoever between cholesterol in food and cholesterol in the blood. None. And we’ve known that all along. Cholesterol in the diet doesn’t matter at all unless you happen to be a chicken or a rabbit.”[/I] I could not agree more. My cholesterol was high no matter what I ate or did. It had nothing to do with food. My Triglycerides are very low. I tried to get to the bottom of why my Cholesterol was high yet my Triglycerides very low. I tended to see these two as linked in someway. If you have high cholesterol, then high Triglycerides will seen. Well that’s patently not so. There was no satisfactory answer upon digging. (That’s where I got don’t go below 0.40 for your Trigs) The simplest explanations for the imbalance were given as low fat diets to the more complex reasoning ending up with autoimmune issues. The lean hyper responder model fit until it didn’t. When I left my very low carb diet behind and started to eat carbs my cholesterol remained high. Dare I say this, technically you are in the same position as me, until I started statins, high cholesterol, very low Triglycerides. Ketones in pee. At its crudest of course. [USER=569488]@Bcgirl[/USER] if you don’t mind me asking what are your Triglycerides at ? [USER=585131]@Chris24Main[/USER] you are in ketosis , I am not. You eat low carb and high fats, I eat no fats and gain my energy source from carbs, because I cannot effectively deal with fats. Your energy is from being in a fat adapted state. What’s the connection? Now, your blood sugars are great. Mine are not. My lab fasting blood sugars were 5.8 mmol/ls after 14 hours fasted. The lab range, interestingly stated, after a 14 hour fast, should be between 3.3 - 5.5 mmol/ls. So I was outside of the lab range also I’m on blood sugar lowering meds. I’m assuming your blood sugars after 14 hours of no food would be significantly lower. As an aside I was surprised to see the lab range dipping as low as 3.3 mmol/ls which suggests 3.3 is perfectly acceptable whilst being in a fasted state of that duration. I had my C-Peptides taken at the same time. I haven’t had then done for over 3 years. I’m keen to know how much insulin resistance I’m carrying. Has it gone up, stated the same, or gone down. I’m assuming your C-Peptides are low. I’m awaiting my lab results. One thing I have noticed, if I eat very few carbs on a particular day, I’m very reactive to them the following day. I’m sure that is true for everyone. A question arises from that simple statement, does this mean that people on a very low carb diet become intolerant of carbs in the long term? Oh, I’ve ordered some coenzyme Q10 from Amazon, although I am not feeling any side effects from the statins. [/QUOTE]
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