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<blockquote data-quote="Chris24Main" data-source="post: 2754600" data-attributes="member: 585131"><p>A compromised gut lining, I would think, would impact significantly the sensitive balance of the gut environment.</p><p>A compromised gut lining compromises everything - by allowing things to leak from the gut to the resto of the body. I'm not sure why you think the effect would be bad for the gut environment itself - one of the critical risks is that bacteria which should be in the gut, can leak out and cause damage in the rest of the body. Again, my sense is that the trillions of gut bacteria can look after themselves - I'm more interested in the parts of me that are me.</p><p></p><p>Vitamin C as an antioxidant - yes. Neutralise free radicals. Yes, by allowing them to oxidise vitamin C particles, yes. Thus, helping to protect intestinal cell walls - yes, like all cell walls - yes and yes. Protecting gut microbiota - maybe, who knows. A perfectly healthy person still has poop full of dead gut microbiota. They can look after themselves. </p><p></p><p>Collagen, yes. isn't vitamin C essential? - yes, in the sense that you cannot make it yourself. Collagen is built from Lysine and Proline which require an enzyme which requires vitamin C. I need to look more into this, because LP(a) also interacts with collagen, but basically yes, you need some vitamin C, but again, not much (unless your vitamin c is busy staving off Ebola, or if you are eating it with food which inhibits your ability to absorb it) because we've evolved a more efficient way of storing, packing and delivering it via the red blood cells.</p><p></p><p>Not arguing with you... I'm more interested in what it is you are saying, because you are raising points that seem in some way to be reactive, but are all actually agreeing with things I've said - is there anything I'm saying that you fundamentally disagree with?</p><p></p><p>All the gut microbiome stuff - yes, the gut microbiome <strong>is </strong>important - but I just don't have any idea what a balanced gut microbiome looks like, how you can measure it, or what steps you can take to achieve it - the activity of the bacteria themselves can massively change (some going dormant, some becoming active) within days, depending on the type of food you eat. Eating more of a type of food will encourage bacteria that specialise in that type of food. There are no bacteria evolved to specialise in ultra processed food-like stuff. I don't see an argument for going any further than that.</p><p></p><p>Proton Pump inhibitors, that is something on my list, and maybe I'll think differently once I get to that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chris24Main, post: 2754600, member: 585131"] A compromised gut lining, I would think, would impact significantly the sensitive balance of the gut environment. A compromised gut lining compromises everything - by allowing things to leak from the gut to the resto of the body. I'm not sure why you think the effect would be bad for the gut environment itself - one of the critical risks is that bacteria which should be in the gut, can leak out and cause damage in the rest of the body. Again, my sense is that the trillions of gut bacteria can look after themselves - I'm more interested in the parts of me that are me. Vitamin C as an antioxidant - yes. Neutralise free radicals. Yes, by allowing them to oxidise vitamin C particles, yes. Thus, helping to protect intestinal cell walls - yes, like all cell walls - yes and yes. Protecting gut microbiota - maybe, who knows. A perfectly healthy person still has poop full of dead gut microbiota. They can look after themselves. Collagen, yes. isn't vitamin C essential? - yes, in the sense that you cannot make it yourself. Collagen is built from Lysine and Proline which require an enzyme which requires vitamin C. I need to look more into this, because LP(a) also interacts with collagen, but basically yes, you need some vitamin C, but again, not much (unless your vitamin c is busy staving off Ebola, or if you are eating it with food which inhibits your ability to absorb it) because we've evolved a more efficient way of storing, packing and delivering it via the red blood cells. Not arguing with you... I'm more interested in what it is you are saying, because you are raising points that seem in some way to be reactive, but are all actually agreeing with things I've said - is there anything I'm saying that you fundamentally disagree with? All the gut microbiome stuff - yes, the gut microbiome [B]is [/B]important - but I just don't have any idea what a balanced gut microbiome looks like, how you can measure it, or what steps you can take to achieve it - the activity of the bacteria themselves can massively change (some going dormant, some becoming active) within days, depending on the type of food you eat. Eating more of a type of food will encourage bacteria that specialise in that type of food. There are no bacteria evolved to specialise in ultra processed food-like stuff. I don't see an argument for going any further than that. Proton Pump inhibitors, that is something on my list, and maybe I'll think differently once I get to that. [/QUOTE]
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