T2D and low BG without any use of medicine

[ziaarain]

I have some logical questions in my mind about T2D
Q#1: what are the microscopic basis of T2D?
Reason 1 :If it is due lack of insulin production then the bg should always be higher without medicine or insulin injection
Reason 2:If it is due to insulin Resistance then bg shoulf always be higher without medicine.
I have mentioned above two possible reasons of T2D as i think but i can be wrong .
Now consider a sitution for a diabetic and non diabetic both having same BG at a particular instant like 130mg/dl 3hour after meal. Both workout for same time with same intensity.
Now my question is that whose BG is likely to drop more a DIABTIC's or NONDIABATIC's.????
Thnx

 

[AndBreathe]

I have some logical questions in my mind about T2D
Q#1: what are the microscopic basis of T2D?
Reason 1 :If it is due lack of insulin production then the bg should always be higher without medicine or insulin injection
Reason 2:If it is due to insulin Resistance then bg shoulf always be higher without medicine.
I have mentioned above two possible reasons of T2D as i think but i can be wrong .
Now consider a sitution for a diabetic and non diabetic both having same BG at a particular instant like 130mg/dl 3hour after meal. Both workout for same time with same intensity.
Now my question is that whose BG is likely to drop more a DIABTIC's or NONDIABATIC's.????
Thnx

If it were so simple, there would be no need for the forum at all.

There are many, many factors impacting bg levels - food, exercise, stress, sleep or lack of it, heat or cold, and just variances in individual bodies.

 

[ziaarain]

If it were so simple, there would be no need for the forum at all.

There are many, many factors impacting bg levels - food, exercise, stress, sleep or lack of it, heat or cold, and just variances in individual bodies.

Andbreath i do except everything u said but if we dont know the cause then how could we plan to maintain it. And i asked about a diabetic and nondiabetic and i tested it few times with my nondiabetic friend and found that even though we have same bg level before workout but after my levels are dropped more than his.
Now if diabetic is due to insulin resistance then i would have less than him
And if due to decreased production of insulin then i would have more than him
Now how i conculade this analysis about the cause of diabetes

 

[AndBreathe]

Andbreath i do except everything u said but if we dont know the cause then how could we plan to maintain it. And i asked about a diabetic and nondiabetic and i tested it few times with my nondiabetic friend and found that even though we have same bg level before workout but after my levels are dropped more than his.
Now if diabetic is due to insulin resistance then i would have less than him
And if due to decreased production of insulin then i would have more than him
Now how i conculade this analysis about the cause of diabetes

To be honest, and it may not be terribly helpful to your query, but we're all different. If you lined up a few non-diabetic people, tested them beforehand and afterwards, I doubt they'd all be the same.

Some T2 folks find their bloods drop dramatically during exercise and some find their levels rise. Personally, and I am not unusual in this regard, find that if I have steady exercise, like walking or cycling at a relaxed pace, my numbers reduce very nicely. If, however, I exercise very vigorously, like prolonged running or peddling my bike as hard as I can, for as long as I can, my bloods increase.

I'm sorry if you don't find that helpful, I'm sure others will respond in due course.

 

[walnut_face]

Being simplistic, the medicine for the most part treats the symptom rather than the cause. Food is medicine too, so depending on what you put in, depends what BG you get. Mix in a few more variables, like next time you have a few more hours on the clock, you starting BG is different, you have drunk/slept/eaten differently, the day was more relaxing/stressful.

As you can see there is no chance of everything being constant, except the one item you choose to change.
Ad @AndBreathe typed, if it were so simple this forum would have no contributions!

 

[chalup]

Most type 2 diabetics start out with too much insulin. Hyperinsulinemia causes insulin resistance. Insulin resistance causes the body to produce even more insulin which worsens insulin resistance which causes more insulin to be produced.... This is a vicious cycle and is usually present long before diabetes is diagnosed and before weight gain. The huge amounts of insulin that the muscles cannot use due to the insulin resistance, take the glucose in the blood and stuff it into the fat cells causing weight gain which also worsens insulin resistance. Into this already broken system comes the liver. When the hormone signals between the liver, the brain, and the pancreas malfunction, you end up with the liver pumping out glucose when it is not needed. Having NAFLD, which many type 2 diabetics do, only makes the problems worse.

Eventually the high circulating insulin levels and the fact that the pancreas is working overtime can burn out the beta cells in the pancreas. Some medications that force the pancreas to produce more insulin can contribute to this. At this stage a type 2 will not produce enough insulin and need to use exogenous insulin.

Reducing the amount of carbs eaten will lower BG which is good, but it will also lower the amount of insulin the body needs to produce which is very good. Losing any excess weight will help as well but it is important, I think, to remember that the weight gain is largely a SYMPTOM of the broken metabolism and not the cause. Yes diet is a huge contributing factor but not because diabetics are fat and lazy and did it to themselves, but because a typical western diet high in sugar and refined carbs drives the above process.

Just my opinion and the result of a lot of research into why I am so messed up.