It is a shame to see Choc and others go and sadly, I think I will be one of them. Although I don't post much, I have found this site to be invaluable and for me, the low carb approach has changed (and probably extended) my life more than I could have dreamed of. But I am tired of thread after thread descending into tit-for-tat arguments, grand-standing, long winded posts about who's right and who's wrong etc. etc. So many times, I find myself trawling through post after post of the above just to find the useful information this site is really all about. For every newbie who actually sticks with it and gets the valuable information they need to help get their diabetes under control, I'm willing to bet there are many more who just give up and go away, or are too scared to post for fear of being shot down by one side or another of the low-carb/hi-carb debate. I think the moderators do a good if difficult job and this site is sorely needed and I would personally like to thank Fergus, Sugarless Sue, Dennis, and Karen whose experience and well-thought, rational postings have helped me tremendously. I really hope this forum can turn itself around to where is was just a few months ago because it is sorely needed.